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this girl works in my building. we have good banter but when it comes to the meet up she slips from my grasp. we make future projections but there is pretty much never a night she doesn't have a dinner, theatre, drinks etc she has a big network of ex uni and school friends and she self admittedly hates to be alone and so says yes to everything (except my cock!). we've often grabbed a quick drink here and there (before going on to do other things seperately) but never had a night to ourselves. i am trying to be patient as i think my impatience has fucked me up before, but i also want to strike when it's going well.

i thought this was one of those weeks

eg. after a week of flirting, me being somewhat aloof (yet sexual) her seeking me out, we had a quick drink after work on tuesday (throughout this brief drink she is constantly playing with her hair and jewelry, laughing at every dumb thing i say and responding to flirting and touching with smiles and blushing) and then she has to meet friends for dinner. it's on my way so we carry on talking (a bit deeper now) and walking and i drop her off. an hour or so later she texts me "thanks for walking me!! X"

she never usually texts after we've hung out, especially something that isn't a big deal. all the signs seem to be there. i text back "it was my pleasure x"

next day we text:
her: (something about the place she went to dinner)
me: (picture of my first ripe tomato - i've grown these mothers from seed - she looked after them for me while they were very young and i was away fro 3 weeks)
her: oh my god! we'll have to have a tomato party to celebrate their birth x
me: well you had a hand in that x
her: i was like their mother for 3 weeks x
me: and i provided the seed x
her: and now look at them x
me: i have to go now, this conversation is turning me on x
her: ha! x

on friday we saw each other briefly in the morning and chatted about some exhibition we'd both been interested in that was ending this weekend. i have a card that gets me +1 into all exhibitions at this place and she knows this. i suggest we go that night. she says it might work but she's been out the night before and is craving sleep.

i don't see her or hear from her again that day, so after work i send: "had to run.. (exhibition) tomorrow, though. call me when you're up x"

no response that night or the next day.

now i don't know whether to re-engage or if that's just the needy impatient part of me and i should just shrug it off and wait till i see her next week. pretty bummed she didn't even bother to say no.

any insight/feedback much appreciated.

(i went to the exhibition anyway)
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@macfuque:

i was thinking of sending the rob an ice cream truck text as it's boiling hot outside but i feel that to engage at all after a snub might weaken my already feeble position..
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@macfuque:
I want to let Lumpy have a go at this as he just made some massive leaps in this exact area, and when a guy's recently raw in the trenches like that he has some very applicable things to say.

You can be friendly all you want with a girl, and have her meet up, etc., and have her feel safe and comfortable with you and all that jazz. But until you hit that sexual AND physical note with her, there's nothing there. Nothing. You might as well be Pinocchio.

I have lots of female friends always have. I walk up to them and squeeze their asses, fondle their breasts, pick them up and bite them all over. Dry hump them at random inopportune times. And other things of various degrees of sexual harassment. What do you think I'm doing to girls I want to fuck.

I'm not saying you have to hit at this level, but try to at least hit a happy medium, and you just HAVE to understand you can't expect to keep doing what you're doing and get anywhere. You HAVE to change, and implement certain new behaviors. Otherwise you're stuck in perpetual "dating" twilight. Ask Icewahine and Gogo.

;b
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@Manwhore:
thanks for the reply man.

i do test the boundaries a bit, i'm always touching and the other day i randomly squeezed her thigh while she was talking to me and said "firm. nice" and then looked at her with hungry predator eyes and she was beaming but then i had to go. (a couple of days later she mentioned in passing that her thighs were aching from 'pilates', i felt like she wanted to remind me of the squeeze)

i'm so used to making a move either when i've just met a girl in a bar or on a day 2 after a few drinks and i find my time so limited i never get to put her in a dangerous position. hence constantly trying to get her out for the night.

i completely agree that doing the same thing is not going to go anywhere and i'll wait for others to respond like you suggested, but am not entirely sure what it is i need to be doing to change in a practical sense. i've read your lay reports and they make sense but can't quite calibrate it into my persona. maybe i' m too outcome dependent with this one.
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@Manwhore:
double post
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Manwhore;1184.8464;5 wrote:

I'm not saying you have to hit at this level, but try to at least hit a happy medium, and you just HAVE to understand you can't expect to keep doing what you're doing and get anywhere. You HAVE to change, and implement certain new behaviors. Otherwise you're stuck in perpetual "dating" twilight. Ask Icewahine and Gogo.


The man is right. Even outside just my texting I was "good" but my penis was dry. When I joined this forum I was in a state of need. I even had girls Hitting ME up asking for dates and shit but because I was in a crappy mindset I masturbated each time or unconsciously rationalized they didn't like me. So so sooooo dumb. How did I get out of this? Well implementing the new behaviors. But it's kinda hard with girls you already know. So more girls! I was already going out regularly and my cold approach was pretty good. But I stepped it up and got numbers like crazy. Hit up Okc. Then I had a fleet of numbers and potential dates instead of having a few and trying to snipe one. That simple act changed my mindset so much. I remember sitting there texting a few numbers and I received one from a girl I failed with one a day 2. I used to feel a tingle in my balls when she texted and used to have to really think and plan out my responses. While that's fine, thinking about how to shape the convo, it was coming from a place of lower value. Which is horrible. After having all those other girls text me I couldn't give a shit less. Last week I made out with some random hottie when she was five feet from me. Now my texts to her are overtly sexual or assholish. And she loves it... Wayy more than before when she prob used me for validation.

Point is its hard to implement these behaviors with the same girls doing the same thing. So try new Stuf on old girls or new stuff on new girls and watch the results roll in. Itll help get the older girls too. So keep pushing for this girl, but do so with mannnnyyy others so you stop caring about this one.


Cause like.. If you say your staring her down and grabbing her leg it should be in the bag. But it's not. You should just be getting her out and making a move
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@icewahine:
thanks man. can you tell me what you mean by new behaviours. what do you do differently?

she texted at midnight sunday "did you go to (exhibition)? i didn't see daylight all weekend again!x"

was thinking of leaving it, or getting back monday afternoon with "you missed out"

any advice appreciated
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@macfuque:

or maybe. "you missed out. it was amazing. beautiful weather, big food festival by the river, ice cream and i accidently punched a little kid in the face" (which is true!)

i don't want to sound butt hurt, i do want her to feel she missed out. or is radio silence the best way to go?

it works on me!
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@macfuque:
you missed out. it was amazing. big food festival by the river.. ice cream.. and I kinda punched a little kid in the face
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@Manwhore:

thanks man, you stripped the "nice guy" flourishes out of it. sent as you wrote it
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So she replied "what!? Why'd you punch a kid?x"
Heh heh. Figure I'll leave her curious till I see her tomorrow, unless someone has a better idea?

Did think maybe send"he was asking for it"
Or "he walked into my fist, your honour"
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@macfuque:
I thought it was justin bieber
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@Manwhore:
Haha. That's a great line. Already bumped into her without having replied. Bit of playful teasing. Some touching.
Asked her what she was doing tonight and she proceeded to tell me her full schedule for the whole week. All stuff she "didn't want to do". Shit.
This shit is getting under my skin.
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@macfuque:
One step back.. So saw her flirting with a co worker and got a big chumpy bubble of jealousy, which is when she choose to catch my eye. She looked scared. Ha! Man, not the devil may care attitude I've been trying to portray..

Couldn't help rationalising that this MUST be the reason it was difficult to get her out. Feeling sorry for myself.. Bollocks and who cares? I've got some work to do.
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@macfuque:
Off work today to work on music and just get a text "Not working anymore eh? x"

Any thoughts
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In context she knows I've started doing less days to work on music, just didn't know I had today off.
Thinking of sending "the world can't wait much longer for my genius" or even just leaving her hanging.
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@macfuque:
Or maybe just "aww. Do you miss me?"
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@macfuque:
I'm just another hooker on the street corner these days
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Re: radio silence
Manwhore;1184.8589;5 wrote:
@macfuque:
I'm just another hooker on the street corner these days



Made me laugh so I sent it. Even though it was 8 hours later.
Not too long to sweat a reply.
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@macfuque:

no reply but saw her briefly today. she tells me she got threatened by a gang on her way home tues night. one of em had a knife. so i told her i'd walk her home later.

met her but got a bus. sitting on seperate seats. minimally physical. chit chat. tried to be outcome independent and just enjoy her company. felt good but feels like i'm going round in circles as discussed above.

she has a friend's birthday tonight, might be going out near me. told her to shoot me a text if she does. she was down. who knows.

think i might not meet her even if she does, as i feel like i'm in chasing mode and she'll be with a big mixed group and it might raise my value. plus i'll be out with mates looking for new women.

or is this just ego protecting bullshit ?
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@macfuque:

Lawlz @ being outcome independent as a technique.

Really tho that's still being outcome dependent.. Sounds like your too invested in this chick and that's why your not pulling your penis out and aren't being 100% yourself/charismatic.

Your not going to lay this chick coming from where you are now no matter what you do and it'll probably fuck your shit up with other girls too. Solution? Get more girls.
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@icewahine:
Ha! Yeah I know mate. Definitely too invested, it's like I have to bang this girl to prove something to myself.
And wasn't necessarily a technique, just an attempt to stop but I take your point.

Fuck. So tough when you see a girl every day and you know there's attraction there.

I have banged a few other girls but actually made me more determined to bang this one.

Shit.

Definitely blowing off this birthday thing.
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@macfuque:

She just texted me
"didn't leave birthday girl's flat!x"

Solved that problem. Anyone have a decent reply (i'm at a night called slutbox! Not livinh up to it's name)
or should I just leave this shit alone?
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@macfuque:
At the risk of being a whiny little bitch does anyone have any practical advice for dealing with this shit day to day?
Do I just avoid her while I get on with my own life. Or do I take bigger risks?

Any advice appreciated
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@macfuque:
I'm really not getting a clear picture of what's going on here mate.
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@Manwhore:

you and me both man.

i guess icewhane got it right, that i'm becoming (or already am) too invested.

i see this chick pretty much every day. got my ego all tied up in this. she's hot and cold and i'm reactive.

when i step back from myself and stop trying so hard she is very attracted to me but as soon as i step into that space she backs off.
or i stop trying completely and we're back to square one. i'm used to girls chasing me more in this type of situation.

something in my communication is off with this chick. and i am becoming way too self analytical in my interactions with her.

i am playing it too safe, trying to protect my ego (fear of embarrasment maybe? - i've generally avoided social circle lays as i always want the option to never see a girl again), because really this should be easy.
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@macfuque:
Mang. You just need to invite this girl out then bring her back to your place. There are lots and lots of thread examples of that on this forum. You're just not pulling the trigger.
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@Manwhore:

yeah. you're right.

feel like i need some inspiration, like you suggested. i've had a search but i can only seem to find text exchanges that don't go anywhere..

can anyone direct me to exchanges (text or otherwise) that lead to meet up/ lays on this forum - apart from manwhore's LRs?
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@macfuque:
ok. thinking of framing it around the tomatoes i just harvested that she took care of for me when they were tiny green shoots.

could send a picture or

"it's harvest time! i will be perfecting delicious tomato-based dishes from around the world. come over this week to enjoy the fruit of our (my) labour"

ugh. that's not right..
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Yo biscuit come help me pick these tomatoes. They're ready to come up. They've been talking about you and say they miss you
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@Manwhore:
Sent word for word. Here's the reply (meh - reframed taking herself out of the equation)
"how exciting! When are you picking them?x"

I'm thinking: "When are you free?"
Or "Saturday morning. Bring some eggs and we can have a leisurely brunch"

Or "we'll pick em for brunch Saturday morning. You can bring the eggs"

I've got plans wed, thurs and fri...
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@macfuque:
Stop trying to turn everything into a "date" it's going to fucking creep her out. Relax

This is probably why she always "slips from my grasp" (more creeper language lol). Chill the fuck back give her space. Inspire her to want to show up. The biggest issue guys face in the dating world is projecting too much expectation on "dates" and this puts all kinds of awkwardness on the situation, PLUS, it stifles YOU. Just be casual and chill.

I'm going to turn the little ones into ketchup! I'm such a bully. What should we do with these biggie ones? Put them in a rap video??
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@Manwhore:
Haha! Dammit you're right! This is exactly what I do!

Thanks man. It makes me feel weird too. Like "it has to happen on this day at this time! Why aren't you running into my creepy dungeon??"

Yours makes way more sense. Thanks for the insight mate.
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@Manwhore

Woke up to "very funny :) x "

I think she likes you ;)

So I should just keep up the banter and make the meet up more subtle?
I remember someone else talking about this on the forum. Starting to make a lot more sense.

But please jump in if I'm wrong
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@macfuque:
Well I don't believe that tomatoes are sexy! Either way you should just tell her to come suckle your tomatoes, and or the tomatoes need some TLC "tender love and Care" and too cook for you! similar to "Bishh.. make me a sandwich" The approach you have seems dull. Spice it up FOOL!
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^ That was Tara
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Re: radio silence
She also says your texting sounds like retarded Shakespeare
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@Manwhore:

I think she may be onto something.. Hence the need for help.

So something like:

"maybe they need a woman's touch. I do hope your culinary skills are up to the challenge"
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She says it's cute in a kind of nerd way.

But it's too intense she says, you should just try something new. She's wondering what kind of girl this is you're texting. Is she some kind of super nerd? Does she like poetry? This text sounds like poetry in a completely out of place context. It seems like poetry but at the same time.. bland and almost at the same time scripted, like you're on purpose trying to sound like that. She asked "Are we in The Notebook?" (haha)

She says, "I mean, if you're going to try to use the word culinary and a woman's touch and challenge in the same sentence, it's like, you better be ready for the poetry competition challenge over text."

I can see what she's saying that's a completely "exposed" way of looking at that text. What is it you're trying to prove or display here. What kind of relationship are you trying to start with this chick? How impersonal and cut off from an actual real-life human interaction. I could almost believe you were a troll. I got my eye on you Macfuque..
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@Manwhore:

Hmmm.
She is an English graduate but never thought I was writing like that because of it.
I guess it does seem try hard. I like this chick but you nailed it above when you said I get a bit creepy desperate for the date.
I didn't realise this text was intense but I guess I can see it. Didn't send it.

Trouble is I am so used to making zero effort I am out of my depth when I have to and usually lose the girl.
Starting to understand why..

How would you rephrase it?

(not a troll man, I'm training with you, just got shit tons of blind spots)
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That's hilarious, I completely forgot. Alright we're going over this, this is HILARIOUS that you would be texting like this. This is not you at all.
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@Manwhore:

she is going to some event at the members place near me and i told her i could get cheap tickets.
turns out i can't: i can get in free, guests have to pay same as everyone else.
here's what went down last night (i warn you it's like a business email exchange)

her: hey what did you say about tomorrow? Did (bar) get back to you? x

me (45 mins later): yeah they're ruthless, guests have to pay.. feigning ignorance might be the way to go ;)

her: (1 hr later) Oh no problem x

me (15 mins later) Give me a shout when you want to head there, I'll get you in x

her (5 mins later) Well don't come unless you want to, don't want to take you out of your way x

me: it's cool. speak to you tomorrow and have a good night x

here's the man MW's response:

As far as your texting you're trying too much to be in charge. You need to be silly, and express yourself in a way that shows you like girls. Duh. It's so innocent and fun. "Hi sparklybutt. You know I'd be down to hang out anyways. Who cares if you have to pay and I don't. In fact I prefer it that way ;b"

this makes a lot of sense.
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@macfuque:

anyway, too late to send that.
so today rolls around and it's a sunny if chilly day and i'm with a buddy having a beer.
haven't heard back and this place is a rooftop bar, so i'm like fuck this i'll give her a little push and send this:

me (3.30pm): "wake up sparklebutt. the roof is calling. 5 o'clock"

no response..

the 5 o'clock bit was to get some focus and show i'm happy to go but have shit to do (this is true).

will probably head there anyway, but please critique and let me know if you would send anything else or just let it go

thanks
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@macfuque:

just got this (at 4.55):

"i don't think i'm gonna go anymore, my friends are all doing something else and i'm dying a bit. Really sorry :( x"

do i shrug this off like "lame. no biggie"

or do i keep pushing like "what you need is autumn sun and spectacular views. and if you get bored of looking at me, the city looks incredible from there too"
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@macfuque:

PM response from Manwhore:

Yah dude. You see her response and say "that's nice" and continue to push your objective.

I'm going to send my friends the teletubbies after you. Wait.. why are you dying? Can I have your car? What's up pumpkin that doesn't sound right?

Send that (of course) and get this response

"that was a very confusing text! How was (bar)? x"
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@macfuque:

i'm thinking either text

"in progress.. how's the death bed?"

bit too cold

or leave it for tonight (it's 1am and i'm out chasing looking for new prospects)

and reengage in the morning with:

"i have just enough energy to grab pancakes and eggs at (cafe). Come join"

Or "awesome, you missed out. Don't blow it again. Watch me eat at (cafe). I'm bringing my own tomatoes"

Or " damn, forgot to run it through my retard translator. No matter I'm heading for a big sloppy breakfast at (cafe). Come meet me"


trying to pull the trigger...

Is this completely miscalibrated?
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@macfuque:

So this morning I sent
"You missed out. Don't blow it again. Watch me eat at that cafe by the canal. I'm bringing my own Tomatoes"

No response yet.
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@macfuque:

Damn. Nothing all day.
Guess I'll leave it a few days before I hit her up again.
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@macfuque:

Need to get some banter going then figure out her schedule.
I know I need to be more direct. I also know I need to be more playful.
In the past I am either super keen/ creepy or super entertainer/goes nowhere.
Maybe keep text playful and go for meet up in person

Might drop the old "if quizzes are quizzical, what are tests?"

Or "so my washing machine died just like (her flat mate) predicted. Don't tell the papers but I'll be going commando all week"
Some call back humour (though not that funny!)
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@macfuque:
You're running all over this girl chill back for a bit. She ignored or did whatever, you can't be chasing her now. Reengage in a couple days. Do not ask her back out until you get some kind of text exchange going. You're in chase mode you are looking frantic here.
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@Manwhore:

You're right. Thanks man