Thoughts on stick-ability, crystallization, and pull-worthyness
I've been getting into longer sets (~45 minutes) more often though they tend to want to leave at some point. OR if it's end of the night they're not down for food or anything after. OR if they are, they're not town to go back to either of our places. This when there's sexual chemistry, so there's some decent level of attraction/arousal. I don't think the answer is more attraction/arousal, I think they're leaving due to other factors.
Here's some stuff I came up with.
--Deeper unattractive emotional nodes in personality eventually being revealed (anxiety, deperation, etc). Maybe it feels like I'm not feeling those emotions, but I still have mastered what's going on in the background of my subconcious, and may have a blindspot to how these are getting subcommunicated. Working on these things through awareness and something I call 'mental physical thereapy'.
--Cystralization.
I may be attractive and fun to them, but I'm just the next piece of vegas stimulation, and not a real version. Like a porno you stop watching when you're done with it. I've noticed that after certain girls leave, they're in a solid interaction with another cool guy, and then another, and another. Maybe that was they're plan at the beggining, try out a bunch of flavors.
I think to make us seem like 'real' people, a 'real' interaction, there needs to be something unique about that interaction that you can't get between any other two cool people interacting. And I think a good way to do that is qualify her on deep personality traits. Not just her fashion, expressiveness, accent, or any other stuff you can get from a minute first impression. More like stuff releted to her identity. So her ambitions, accomplishments, values. So that means going deep at some point. I also like to top off the qualification with 'You're not like the other girls in Vegas, you're different' (credits former RSD Sam).
Also, inducing her to qualify you is also strong. I think a good time is after you qualified her, so she has a bit of an idea what you're getting at. 'What do you like about me'. If she's showing a lot of interest, 'why do you love me (so much)' (credit, RSD Julien).
Bonus: After that, a fun next step is to ask if she's dated guys in the past who had qualities that she just qualified you on.
Moving around the venue and interacting in several locations of also big for that. Also basic comfort stuff. Childhood stories. Vunrabilities. Rewarding her actions of connection.
--Pull-worthyness:
I think the only thing required for this is to be funner than her other option (just going home), and being worth any repercussions (sleep deprivation, early flight, etc). In vegas that means trying to leave before the club closes, since it usually closes at like 4/4:30.
If you're with a wingman, having a fun/funny/vibrant flow that induces them to loosen up and be silly helps. Making ridiculus statements, shouting, funny dance moves, and getting them to do it. Guiding them to go outside logical minds and comfort zones, which I think RSD Tyler is the best at just from what I've seen of everyone's infeilds.
If you're by yourself, it gets increasingly harder. Especially in vegas where most people come in groups. I think those who are here on a conference are the best bets. But there are groups of friends where it's not too big of a deal for people to break off and go off on their own.
--Where's the beef?
If you that's your goal and that's where you want to lead it, she has to know it, and she has to know you'll doing in a way that will make it easy for her. I'm guessing there were some instances where she would be down, but she could tell you would be weird or awkward about it, or even not initiate the hookup, so she didn't come back because she would think it's a waste of time. Or, that led to something being unclear about your vibe, and she got weirded out. Or, she feels your anxiiety because there's a disconnect between where you want to lead the interaction, and you what you're expressing.
Either way, I think it's healthy to align yourself, and express your intensions in some form. "I'm bad news, you shouldn't be talking to me." "I'm the last guy here you should be talking to." "If all these people weren't around right now I'd bend you over the bar and fuck the shit out of you.". "Don't get alone with me." (Credit LS Cajun). Depending how the she reponds to that, you could get more intimate, like how she wants to be touched, what you'll do to her. But at the same time, especially for a newbie I think it's safer to always maintain that plausible deniability and not make too concrete of any plans, so she'll know that there's no obligations to make anything happen.
--Other stuff to work out that I'm not too familiar with:
Sexual qualification stuff might be pretty relevant here. It's what I'm currently studying. It seems to get her identity involved in intimacy. Accusatory statements, false barriesr to sex that she has to get through.
Also, sexual disqualification.
I'm writing this as a begginer stage person. What are you guys' thoughts on this?
A lot of that stuff in the beginning though useful in many ways, won't actually get you laid. Remember that. The stuff at the end is what will make that happen. What are you studying as far as sexual qualification?
And no Tyler is nowhere near the best at that stuff. DURR. He's only repeating what he's seen
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
"And no Tyler is nowhere near the best at that stuff. DURR. He's only repeating what he's seen"
He's the first where I heard of that concept. But if not Tyler, then maybe Alex seems like he's really good at that, at least the high energy Alex.
A lot of that stuff in the beginning though useful in many ways, won't actually get you laid. Remember that. The stuff at the end is what will make that happen. What are you studying as far as sexual qualification?
And no Tyler is nowhere near the best at that stuff. DURR. He's only repeating what he's seen
"The stuff at the end is what will make that happen."
This definitely cause a shift in my way of looking at this. So I'm bring more awareness of her identity and the overall 'plot' towards the hookup. Getting her invested in a way that get's her curious about what happens next sexually. Before I was just thinking of just pulling and then hoping she was get horny enough for sex in isolation.
"What are you studying as far as sexual qualification?"
As for sexual quaification sources:
I looked at this to get an overview of it:
http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-use-sexual-qualification-prime-women-sex
Nothing mind blowing just gets the baiscs of it.
Found patrick.bateman post on that related to tinder game here
http://www.manwhore.org/forum/content/heavy-push-game-and-sexual-qualification-tinder-example-number-two
"We talked a lot about shaping a girls behaviour with qualification up the ass and using accusatory statements. Also learned about creating sexual qualification to make them want to fuck you to get validation and to have that prize mentality, the silver back shit."
Also, found out about sexual disqualifcation on your post about the 21 year old .
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Earlier in the conversation it had come out that she had a clit ring.. and I use this to tease her with the potential of sexual disqualification. If you’re not familiar with this as a concept it’s one of the mostpowerful verbal skills to have in your repertoire. And when it comes to extremely hot women it’s mandatory. Simply put if you don’t have it you’re not going to get consistent results with the hotties.
So as we’re leaning against the wall chatting I look at her and with a hard quizzical look on my face I say, “So I heard you have a clit ring. *eyes narrow* Yeah I’m not so sure about this.. I better check it out.” The look on her face is pure sexiness. She needs me to like her clit ring, she wants to please daddy.
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Sexual qualification/disqualification seems to add more 'plot' in regards to the hookup. It makes her curious to know what's going to happen next. She also part of the story, so it wraps her identity and investment towards the hookup.
Also listening to the Love Systems audio series titled 'Taking things sexual'. Biggest takeaway was a part on positive and negative sexually cold reads. 'when you have a boyfriend you probably have sex like 10 times a day, I can already tell'. 'this wouldn't work out, a girl like you probably only like to have sex like once a week'. 'you're a really nice girl i can already tell. you probably have to date a guy for like 3 months and meet your parents before you guys have sex'. 'i can tell you're old fashioned, etc'. 'you act all sweet but i can tell you have a bad side'. 'lady on streets, freak in the sheets'. 'total starfish girl in bed'. Overlying themes: she's a prude, she has a hidden freaky side,
My summary so far is I need focus on greater awareness of her sexual identity with regards of the hookup. That includes calling out my read of her sexual identity, including the good (hidden freaky side) and bad (prude). Keeping the tension fun and not giving away the end of the story while still involving her identity (sexual disqualification). Leading certain aspects of her personality out of her. Frames of her being sexual aggressive being a positive; sexual reluctance is square and prudish; she needs to perform certain actions/expressions/behavior to hook up with me otherwise I lack enthusiasm, but if she does pass those hoops you know how to make it happen and make it amazing for her.
I feel in addition to sexual qualification, I think I really need more 'prize' emotions.
I looked at this
https://www.manwhore.org/lmr-series-part-i-being-the-prize/
""I never let it be about her sexuality. I try to keep the focus on mine. Because then who’s sexuality is the prize?"
So I need to work on frames and emotions of being the prize. And then take a deep look at my expressions and adjust them. Not only the wrong expression will communicate I'm not the prize, but will also but my emotions and frames to not being a prize. A lot of these expressions are habits, so need to take physical therapy esque measures to correct them.
I think all the instructors do this pretty well, Julien takes it to the highest levels. Supposedly Brad too. Maybe I don't need to make it super blatant, but I always should be feeling it. Without a certain baseline of that emotion, then I would feel a certain amount of emotion of accommodation/over-appreciation which is a buzzkill.
Lol hold on.. Julien takes what to the highest levels?? And supposedly Brad too? What exactly.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Lol hold on.. Julien takes what to the highest levels?? And supposedly Brad too? What exactly.
Being the prize. Out of all the infields I've seen, Julien subcommunicates the most that he believes he's better than her.
I've heard Brad being described that way in a video by Jeffy/Todd, though the three times I've seen him infield he mostly silly/random. From the infields it's more like what Tyler described as being able to turn off their logical minds by being random.
Ha! I suppose you're right.
Seen this one? Very old but lot of the same concepts in evidence. In fact maybe some of the source material for such. ;)
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
It's not about believing you're better per se.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
It's not about believing you're better per se.
It's not the most fundamental, but I think it's the case for Julien and to some extent Max and Todd. But I think the fundamental emotion is high regard for yourself, it's not necessary to have an active comparison factor.
Ha! I suppose you're right.Seen this one? Very old but lot of the same concepts in evidence. In fact maybe some of the source material for such. ;)
Yeah, also watched again 5 times since you posted that through the lens of what's being discussed.
Can’t really make out fhe full conversations so I mostly analyzed your vibe.
You definitely prize yourself. You enjoy your own presence and actions. You definitely come across as someone who meditates, calm and controlled, yet expressive. There’s a huge contrast in vibe between you and the guy in the cop uniform. People’s personality can be described as sort of a rhythm. Strong personality = strong rhythm. Your vibe is kind of a musical experience. The cop's vibe shifts alot with the enviroment. You keep a clear melody.
When the bunny girl went sexual with you, no felt anxiety. For a lot of guys, they enjoy that sort of sexual attention and it’s pretty obvious that sexual attention makes that guy very happy, but there’s a node of anxiety that girls can feel that impulses them to turn it off. They can’t enjoy the moment; thinking about what to do next. You just enjoying it like you’re enjoying a juicy plum. Actually you’re enjoying every moment in that vid like you’re enjoying a plum.
A lot of times when girls get flirty and sexual, guys get their rhythm interrupted. It’s like theirs a shift in their personality. Some get over excited, or on the other spectrum others get stifled. You kept your rhythm but interacted with that moment and expressed a sexual vibe. Looks like there’s nothing in the world that will rock your rhythm. You’ll interact with it from your rhythm. Kinda like how movie music changes as the emotions of the scene progresses. The music is not going to stop or become jarringly different.
A high regard for yourself is indicated by a strong rhythm.
Some girls really get a kick of knocking people off their rhythm. It’s like expressing a superpower to them. Some may act sexual with you with that original intent, but can get attraction if you keep your rhythm. Very attracted if your rhythm is so strong you knock them off their rhythm. i.e. ‘Who the fuck are you’ with the right tonality and escalating physically. Complement them if they can keep their rhythm, tease them if they break.
I've noticed in some infields the instructor activily knocks the girl off her rhythm. In others, they harmonize each others rhythms.
Any knock off someone’s rhythm is a form of anxiety, and even if it seems like that person might be enjoying it.
This is kinda demonstrated in this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm5dc-Aj3Sw . The only person Amy really interacted with was the guy who wasn’t thrown off his rhythm. Amy was going for a connection by touching his arm.
There was one moment where you took the girls picture. And then you playfully say 'I got a better picture' and you took one of yourself. The way you did it suggests that you don't even have a conscious/active idea of your high regard to yourself, it's just you. Very subtle. The girls may not even remember that moment 30 minutes from when that happened, but their impression of you definitely won't be someone with a low or medium regard for yourself.
Yeah I'd say that's a pretty close approximation. I've also definitely heard people describe it as musical but for other reasons.
There ARE definitely times you have to knock a girl off her rhythm in fact with most girls it's a necessity, either to make them start seeing you correctly, or turning the corner sexually, or even dealing with bullshit cockblocks 'n such. But I was able to ride the sexual tension with these girls almost from the get-go. Halloween's a special time for stuff like that ;) I forgot the context but I was walking around talking about "balls" in a really funny manner, and it was spontaneously making girls reach into my pants and start fondling my balls. The Amazon had done it right before he started filming and the blond girl actually does it during the video. It's right before the part where I say, "I have M&M's!"
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Yeah I'd say that's a pretty close approximation. I've also definitely heard people describe it as musical but for other reasons.There ARE definitely times you have to knock a girl off her rhythm in fact with most girls it's a necessity, either to make them start seeing you correctly, or turning the corner sexually, or even dealing with bullshit cockblocks 'n such. But I was able to ride the sexual tension with these girls almost from the get-go. Halloween's a special time for stuff like that ;) I forgot the context but I was walking around talking about "balls" in a really funny manner, and it was spontaneously making girls reach into my pants and start fondling my balls. The Amazon had done it right before he started filming and the blond girl actually does it during the video. It's right before the part where I say, "I have M&M's!"
"with most girls it's a necessity"
I was starting to get that impression recently, considering the average quality of guy that approaches women. I'm starting to pickup up subtle cues that they assume low quality traits towards me or any other high quality guy that approaches them, even the ones they're into, just because the impression of all the other guys is so etched into their mind.
I think when a rhythm is interrupted, comprehension goes up, they can take in more new information. Then when their rhythm kicks up again, it'll be different and based off the new info.
This is my favorite recent example I've seen of a rhythm break , RSD Madison handling a cock block https://youtu.be/gzgalYO1JuY?t=42m41s
It's a neat paradigm to look at interactions. If you're either harmonizing or breaking her rhythm.
"the blond girl actually does it during the video. It's right before the part where I say, "I have M&M's!"
Didn't notice that when I saw the video. Saw the video again. Sounds you were doing some regular man to women by calling her baby then amping up the sexual chemistry by saying something like 'down my pants.put it down there and there might be some' in the middle of the video. Very smooth, didn't notice how much you ampted up the sexual chemistry even though I watched it 5x before. I think you would definitely feel a big vibe shift from most guys if they would escalate that much.
Pretty simple, but needs a lot of refinment for me to do. I've been noticing that my rhythm shifts quite a bit if I escalate that rapidly. Actually, I've been noticing it shifts quite a bit in general. I have a new awareness of it from the dicussion that's been going on here, and contracting myself to this video. So, I'm discovering new nodes of anxeity and 'trying' that were previously hidden.