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The problems with pimps is they're chasing the wrong ideal

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When does it start affecting the kind of relationship they want to have with women? They haven't just betrayed women, they've betrayed themselves. They are a tragic figure. 

We all want to be as close to others as we are to ourselves. To not be able to is the definition of lonely. It's interesting when I look at behavior from guys like Stifler. He used to call me up every day, most of the time I'd be busy, and even though I really liked the guy and actually wanted to spend time with him, I either wouldn't be able to answer or would just choose not to for whatever reason. That was my mistake, he was simply pursuing something completely fundamental to our nature, to share of oneself with others, and to receive the same. He'd recognized in me a kindred spirit and was doing what was natural. What's interesting is I was actually poisoned by our own "community" lol. Everyone was trying to be "unreactive" and cool and "sexworthy" and I fought it for so long but got burned myself. So I "adapted". 

We critique guys like Stifler for apparently having a "short-term mating strategy". But is it? Who's happier? In the long run who has explored life's possibilities and made the impact they were capable of. 

Most of those that shit badly on others, are simply displaying the relationship they have with "themselves". The way you treat others will always be a reflection of how you see yourself, you can't split your mind in half, you use the same mental connections. And even if you're forced into it through continuous adaption of it to deal with people and situations, you stop looking for "connection", and then you forget it even exists...  

This is why the world is fucked up and always has been. And this is the mission we all undertook when we assumed the mantle of self-development. To stay on that path is the true definition of strength. Ask yourself, do the people in your life know how much they mean to you? Have you told them in any way? Otherwise they do not know. We are all seeking connection, don't let them not know. 

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Amen. In this community

Amen.

In this community everyone putting "amazing" game on a pedestal but I know guy with great game they can't go to Daddy to call him on the bullshit he inflict on them or go to him and told him you love him or whatever is on your bag.

Guy in this community work a lot on being intensive, dismissive, agressive but fews are able to REALLY put themselve out there, open their heart and let the chips fall where she may.

The true power is to look someone in the eyes and say "I care for you" rather than "Dog, you like peanut butter ?".

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This is such a fantastic

This is such a fantastic post. It really shouldn't be dismissed easily. I know almost nothing about Stifler, but I can see just from what Manwhore said, a couple of reasons why he's so good. I got pretty screwed up too, and it took me about 3 years to figure the same thing out. Basically they tell you, "don't ever give a woman the keys to the Death Star." Cuz she'll blow that fucker up... or David D, "don't ever engage in self depricating humor." This is like shooting yourself in the foot. There is a vulnerability side to Daddy that makes him endearing and irresistable. Daddy comes very naturally to me and this being able to be vulnerable, I think, is how I'm able to get girls to hook. And hook HARD. It seems like Stifler most likely gets this.

One of my best friends that I grew up with, is a natural. He is AMAZINGLY good sometimes. I've seen him get numbers while we were just driving down the highway. BUT he has a very serious problem... after a short time, the women he has sex with end up full-on DESPISING him. Because he can't "connect." Displaying flaws is outside of his reality. I went through a period where I despised him too. He's pretty much driven away all his friends. But he's very good at making new ones. He ends up seeing us all as "value takers."

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One of my reference

One of my reference experiences that really made this click was when I went on a date with this chick and she wanted to go rollerskating. I hate rollerskating with a passion. I 100% suck at it and think it's undignifying for a grown ass man to be on gay ass wheel shoes.

Anyways I decided to knuckle through it. I actually gamed her pretty well, in my opinion, and it was going pretty normally. Then I slipped and fell down hard. It was super clumsy looking. I was like, "Aw that did it. I lost it with this chick. Game over." She started laughing her ass off and helped me up. No sooner am I on my feet, when I fell AGAIN. and ended up tripping about 6-7 little kids with me. Common sense would tell you that she would be totally turned off, because I looked like an ass and wasn't being that "dominant, smooth, high value male." It actually had the opposite effect.

Holy fuck though. I've never had a girl come on so aggressively. She basically opened up like a little flower, and started revealing a lot of deep personal stuff and giving me the, "is there something going on between us" thing... And she had a "live in" boyfriend.

Basically, the point is, I realized that this girl wanted to be vulnerable and share herself with me, but she needed me to do it first, so she could feel safe doing so, and that I wouldn't judge her or reject her for it. And this is pretty much the same with everyone out there, and why "the world sucks" and people treat each other like shit because the idea of being even a little vulnerable to judgement is abhorrent.

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Really cool yeah.  On a

Really cool yeah. 

On a similar note there are things I really want to be good at, things I don't have the technical knowledge or skill for and I'm starting at the bottom. And I don't give a fuck. I be in there doing the dew looking like a retard because gaddammit that's how you get shit done. 

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Manwhore wrote: Really cool

Manwhore wrote:
Really cool yeah. 

On a similar note there are things I really want to be good at, things I don't have the technical knowledge or skill for and I'm starting at the bottom. And I don't give a fuck. I be in there doing the dew looking like a retard because gaddammit that's how you get shit done. 

So what mindset do you have in new situations or when youre at the bottom. Like right now im in thailand training muay thai with locals and i didnt know shit about social codes here when i arrived so i was a bit careful in the beginning trynna figure out how things work over here. I mean in situations like this i think its a bit retarded to go all alfa and shit.

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Manwhore wrote: Really cool

Manwhore wrote:
Really cool yeah. 

On a similar note there are things I really want to be good at, things I don't have the technical knowledge or skill for and I'm starting at the bottom. And I don't give a fuck. I be in there doing the dew looking like a retard because gaddammit that's how you get shit done. 

That's how I had to learn to eat chicks out. Lots of failure, and probably lookin like an idiot. 

Dew the do, brah!

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Manwhore wrote: Really cool

Manwhore wrote:
Really cool yeah. 

On a similar note there are things I really want to be good at, things I don't have the technical knowledge or skill for and I'm starting at the bottom. And I don't give a fuck. I be in there doing the dew looking like a retard because gaddammit that's how you get shit done. 

I copy that.

One of my little "un-manly," "embarassing" qualities that I reveal sometimes is that I sing. I took full on professional singing lessons for a while. And that is embarassing when you first start out. I very much recommend getting some singing lessons. Or do something similarly "un-manly," especially if you're kindof a threatening, masculine man.

It's kindof like Arnold Schwartzenegger. He's this giant, manly man. But he's a little bit of a doofy character and It's easy to make fun of him, but that's why he's loveable.

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Cholo wrote: Manwhore

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Manwhore wrote:
Really cool yeah. 

On a similar note there are things I really want to be good at, things I don't have the technical knowledge or skill for and I'm starting at the bottom. And I don't give a fuck. I be in there doing the dew looking like a retard because gaddammit that's how you get shit done. 

So what mindset do you have in new situations or when youre at the bottom. Like right now im in thailand training muay thai with locals and i didnt know shit about social codes here when i arrived so i was a bit careful in the beginning trynna figure out how things work over here. I mean in situations like this i think its a bit retarded to go all alfa and shit.

Cholo what country you from? 

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Infinity wrote: Manwhore

Infinity wrote:
Manwhore wrote:
Really cool yeah. 

On a similar note there are things I really want to be good at, things I don't have the technical knowledge or skill for and I'm starting at the bottom. And I don't give a fuck. I be in there doing the dew looking like a retard because gaddammit that's how you get shit done. 

I copy that.

One of my little "un-manly," "embarassing" qualities that I reveal sometimes is that I sing. I took full on professional singing lessons for a while. And that is embarassing when you first start out. I very much recommend getting some singing lessons. Or do something similarly "un-manly," especially if you're kindof a threatening, masculine man.

It's kindof like Arnold Schwartzenegger. He's this giant, manly man. But he's a little bit of a doofy character and It's easy to make fun of him, but that's why he's loveable.

Yes I definitely plan on taking singing lessons can't wait actually. Really cool to hear you did the same and were also terrible. I know for a fact my singing teacher will have to clean her ears for days afterwards. 

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Manwhore wrote: Cholo

Manwhore wrote:
Cholo wrote:
Manwhore wrote:
Really cool yeah. 

On a similar note there are things I really want to be good at, things I don't have the technical knowledge or skill for and I'm starting at the bottom. And I don't give a fuck. I be in there doing the dew looking like a retard because gaddammit that's how you get shit done. 

So what mindset do you have in new situations or when youre at the bottom. Like right now im in thailand training muay thai with locals and i didnt know shit about social codes here when i arrived so i was a bit careful in the beginning trynna figure out how things work over here. I mean in situations like this i think its a bit retarded to go all alfa and shit.

Cholo what country you from? 

I wanna be a bit anonymous but ive lived in south america, USA and 2 different countries in europe. But this rural part of thailand was just different from any place ive ever been to before.

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You sound like you're being a

You sound like you're being a pussy to be honest. 

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Lol. Things are definitly

Lol. Things are definitly cool now though.

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Something that I did, to get

Something that I did, to get good faster, was to go out to karaoke bars. Some of the DJ's can actually record you and burn you a CD to listen to it later to see how you did. You're gonna hear yourself and be like, "Holy gawd... That is totally not my voice." Some of those bars I was embarassed to show my face in again. I got about 5 songs that I could KNOCK out of the park. (Houndog by Elvis is a killer).

This one is a MUST:

http://youtu.be/2fDU-khOp1o

You'll start seeing girls turn around and watch you. This makes me smile just to write lol

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Omg I love Erykah Badu. Just

Omg I love Erykah Badu. Just had another of her albums come in the mail today lol 

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This is really awesome man.

This is really awesome man. Yeah Stifler is actually a really caring and understanding person. A lot of people I meet don't understand that side of him and just hear the crazy. His short term mating strategy I believe is only possible because he so content and accepting of himself. I mean I've only known the guy about a couple months now but I feel like we're really close friends because he's acted that way towards me. The truth is the guy gives ZERO fucks about being unreactive or "cool" he just does what he feels and actually inside he's a pretty good guy despite the side that some people see of him. 

Brought up the way I was brought up I feel taught me the EXACT opposite of this I feel. Something I'm trying to get out of my head. I think we can all learn something from him.

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Erykah Badu is cool as

Erykah Badu is cool as shit... I think that people stopped naming their kids Tyrone after '97 solely because of that song lol. I actually swiped that off some dude in a karaoke bar. He was big as fuck and had a beard and a beanie. I was like  "Oh yeah. I'm stealing that."

But yeah, this was an awesome post. I can't tell you how much good, the idea that Manwhore's talking about, has done me and my business endeavors, not to mention girls and the people around me.

If I was to try to give definition to it, it's having the self-image of being a daddy figure to people you come in contact with.

The opposite end of the spectrum is the "tragic figures," guys like Elliot Rodger (or my friend), who think in terms of "who's higher value," and sit on their high horse (or bmw... or a certain "hate" site), and completely miss the point. I really have trouble judging guys like him though, cuz I've been there, and really empathize. They're basically victims of shit, "provider" social conditioning, trying to "buy" that human connection they desperately want.

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