Near Lay gone bad!!!

My experience has been that the closer / less time there is between the initial make out location and the sex location the better your odds are at getting the lay. The more time a woman has to think about what she's about to do, the more chances she may psych herself out. Mainly, because it shows that you're not in this situation very ofter, so then she starts to second guess how much of a player you really are. Any clumsiness or lack of planning she will interpret as lack of experience. Plus, there is biochemical reality to this too in that her desire fluctuates moment by moment according to her environment. The key is to keep her in the zone. A long drive even if you're talking the whole time could kill the mood for her. This is why I always plan dates super close to her place or mine. (preferrably her's) Also, by setting the frame that the date will take place close to her place, (or yours) she is subtly agreeing to the possibility that sex may happen. Yes, women very much do the math regarding this logistical detail. Believe me.

I like Alsky's take on it, the walk may have been redundant. I'm not sure exactly what the circumstances were but dropping her off on "some corner" may have been a bit reactive and disrespectful. Even if a girl is being an asshole I generally still try to take the higher ground and see that she gets home safe.

Yea I think you guys are right about going to the park I was thinking it may have been good to do to increase comfort but may have been shooting myself in the foot.   I actually never really do that sort of thing but thought maybe trying something new to kill LMR. I also rememeber leaving the park pretty early and kinda may have looked like an excuse to warm her up.  We were pretty in the zone and I think that the vibe could have been waining by that time but to me honestly it felt like it was tight the entire time.  I think its a mixture of a bunch of the things mentioned above.  Redundancy, the park, long drive.  Origionally the plan was for her to chill by my area but she changed it to the city and it was pretty obvious to me that she was leaning more towards away from my place.  I origionally didnt wanna go on the day 2 because of this reason but knew she wanted to bang me so tried anyway.  

I really like the idea of the fluctiuation of her biological apearance to the situtaion which could have phsyched her out.  This is something I will def take into condideration.

Nah lol didnt leave her on some corner.  I left her on the corner where the subway train was.  I wasnt gonna drive her to the LIRR, she was being super disrespectful to me in the car and I wasn't really gonna take that cuz I was pretty chill and respectful to her the entire night.  Like got to the point where she was like yelling at me telling me where to go and what not.  

The walk was a dumb idea. What the fuck were you thinking 

This girl was giving you some heavy fucking resistance. Like damn.... I've never gotten that behavior before, but if i did, I'd just be like cool. Take her home. 

You're not going to shift her behavior when she's on that level. It's too late, the damage is done. The only chance would be to get super chill and just let her go, that will make her feel more comfortable with you because it takes the validation off of her. She thinks she's doing you a solid by fucking you and that she's giving something away. Once she realizes you're totally happy whether she leaves or not, she'll probably want to fuck you.

I would have been like 

"Look, you're not coming inside anymore, so that's off the table. My apartment is like a temple and I can't have you coming in here and knocking over metaphorical vases with your negative vibes. But I'm not going to drive you home until you calm down. I feel weird about this, I didn't expect this behavior from you. I don't know what's going on but I honestly thought you were way more chill like this.

So basically you're shaping her behavior by drawing your bounderies. You're saying that you don't accept this shit and even though she just said she's not coming in, you're taking that off the table to maintain control. Then you're saying you're not going to drive her home, because now you feel super weirded out. So you're taking back control and projecting the frame that you feel fucking weirded out by her behavior. This will make her calm down and try and apologize and make it up to you. 

Then you can say, "I'm going into my place, you're welcome to come in but all I can promise you right now is a glass of wine and conversation. I don't feel comfortable doing anything else with your right now" 

The main issue is you threw a serious monkey wrench in the seduction rhythm lol. I mean that is some artificial shit haha. The "community" definitely fucked you up there lol. Even a a chode would know to strike when the iron was hot, haha. You took it to 69 and then brought it back down almost into "friendzone territory". Remember, girls are just following signs for how thing's are working out with a guy, and that coupled with the fact their sexual windows are sometimes so narrow, (please believe me on this. I've done some crazy shit), you really have to watch shit like that when you're doing fast lays. If a girl gets hot 'n bothered enough to want to fuck then gets seriously brought down from that, especially with a guy for the first time, it will many times fuck them up. Their emotional rhythms are usually more at war with their social conditioning leading up to the first time they have sex with a new guy.  

Some girls more closely follow stuff like that when it comes to sexuality. They're already so fucking pent up over it, slut shaming and the rape hysteria culture already having gotten them so fucking tense over sex.. their sexual windows of opportunity can be narrow as fuck. 

I think most guys understand stuff like this intrinsically. We all knew how to fuck the first time we did it. It was what we were born to do, not like if we weren't sure about it, we were going to stop trying. LOL. So when you deviate so off course like this girls be like.. huh? It makes them question the whole thing. And lots of girls, especially younger ones or sheltered ones, aren't very secure in the choices they make and so get rattled when it comes to making them. Sex is obviously a big one. 

I'm not trying to make a huge deal out of it, it simply is what it is no need to make it a big deal in your mind.. the rhythm you should be following is simply ramping the girl up, and narrowing down logistics. Boom that's how sex goes down. Well you got her back to your place then went on a walk lol. Not seductive!

This is the whole idea of what sex is supposed to be to a woman. The emotional buildup that makes her wanting to fuck, along with the guy leading it along and logistically leading. Seduction. I mean, they all want seduction, every time they have sex.. but things like boyfriend/girlfriend relationships commodify sex into something more accessible. I think naturally, even our own women aren't necessarily supposed to give us sex every time we want it. It's supposed to be a way they inspire us to great action, simply by being turned on by it themselves. Think about action movies and romcoms. There's a fucking adventure before they hook up. There's a gawdamn seduction that goes down. 

And don't trip that you think it's scary or wrong  you're doing this to girls you don't already know. You SHOULD be doing this to ALL women you're attracted to! You should not be overly polite, you should not be awkward, you should not do anything that's anti seduction! I'm not talking about the girls at the bar, I'm talking about the receptionist at your office, your female boss, your mother's friends. This is why guys that are good with women generally come off with one of a couple very stereotypical "seduction types". Because there's NO gawdamn reason you should be putting on display that much anti-attraction to a woman. It's offensive (this is something we refuse to acknolwedge as a society) to a woman when men are automatically dismissive of her as a potential sexual partner. Plus it makes you look like a fucking dummy. 

And not only that, if you look at it from the other side.. the guys that seem to get laid over and over again (and it's always quickly, from a wide variety of women).. it's because they've learned to shed wrong behaviors and/or adopt the right ones. Everyone tries to villify these, however it's one of those things that you can't fake anyway, so their demonization never works ;). Not only do these guys get a TON more sex from women any time it's available, but they also develop into someone that is able to form the kind of connections with women that make all the other relationships these women have with men, namingly chode boyfriend and girlfriend relationships, as something they can no longer respect or honor. 

Now the process to become this is you first get help connecting the dots smoothly and actually controlling the sexual dynamic as it unfolds (this is what we're doing here), leading it correctly into actually happening. Once you repeat that a few times, you become something else ;). But then again society tries to teach us that sex is magical, and that's why you don't have guys seeing it as something they can start learning to control.. either that or society, and even the individual, attribute the success to external things, like alcohol or drugs, or parties, or "being that age".. another foray back into the topic Jack.Ruby wants to have on the teleconference this week.. not only are we easier to control as a population, but they can sell shit to us to artificially give us control of the process, or at least make us think so lol. 

Tl:Dr

You displayed seemingly "sociopathic" or otherwise very strange behavior in front of the girl. Sexuality is something with an actual rhythm, an emotional buildup that follows human natural sexuality. You thinking she needed comfort first at that stage in the game was a mood killer. 

Fucking awesome post manwhore.

This is really good info I totally see how this could have been a more mature reaction and mayyyybe turned the situation into an actual future lay.  Everything you say is pretty cool however I did try to be really chill with her afterwards like tried to talk to her told her to forget about goin inside that we can just chill out do something else.  Her bitchyness may have got to me, But the way you word it, is pretty dope.  I guess its also just a learning process.  I never met with a reaction like this so its a first to me.     Its kinda like totally framing it away from her having the ability to have a reaction about it.  

This is great stuff.  Cool explanation about how you analyse societies views and negative aspects towards sex worthyness.  Taking her to the park was definatley a stupid fucking idea lol.  I see how that could have made the situation really wierd to her cuz in the car when she asked me if we were going to Queens was totally cool with just driving me back later, like she knew where we were going.  It was like she accepted it already lol. Thats why she really didn't have any answers for me when she was freaking out on the ride to the train, why it came off so wierd to her and myself.    Just a learning process of trial and error for me but think Im honing in on how to start killing it a little more :)  Thanks bro,  looking foward to next weeks conference

Yep I would have handled it just like P.B at that point. Just remember to dial back up the positive vibes after settling down her bullshit 

Some killer posts in here. One more thing I would say is that you dont need to finger or escalate on this girl until you got her in your appartment. It definitely wasnt needed and can only really backfire imo.

No don't tell him that that's completely wrong. Of course you need to be "escalating" 

I just meant after hes pulled her from the venue and is driving to his appartment. I wouldnt start trying to finger bang her or anything until he gets inside, I think its definitely unnecessary in my experience.

I tried to finger her when I pinned her up agains the dumpster.  Ive had mixed reactions from this.  Sometimes the girls get super horny, other times they push away.  I finger banged a bunch of chicks on the dance floor before, but maybe that this is better for the actual bedroom lol

Most of the time I'll finger a girl before pulling her out to my car to fuck her. 

I feel like the situations are different tho. Fingering a girl on the dancefloor definitely makes sense if youre trying to pull her into the bathroom or your car. But fingering a girl who is outside your appartment and already willing to come inside just doesnt make sense to me. 

Yes very true.