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JULIEN from RSD is the most psychologically and emotionally fucked up kid I've ever seen!!!

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Im sitting in RSD hot seats work shop in Sydney which is being run by Alexander and Julien right now and I can't believe the kind of shit that's coming out of Julien's mouth!!! This bloke is seriously emotionally damaged and uses game for the most fucked up and evil of purposes: to stir up drama and emotionally manipulate girls into his playthings. This is what he said about the number 1 reason why he likes game: cus he likes the drama... Are you fucking kidding me? Are you a man or a bitch??? And what kind of fucked up person takes joy and PRIDE in toying with people's emotions and keeps stringing them along even though he has no intentions of pursuing any kind of meaningful relationship with them? Fucking lowest of the lows. And this guy is supposed to be a role model for other guys to follow? RSD just lost ALL respect in my eyes.
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@SituAsian:

Eh, yeah. MOst people in the game do not have good intentions. Stay on your path and understand what you want out of this and you'll be good bro.

He has INSANE game... so take away the positives and say "Fuck it" to the rest... Use it to your advantage.
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Hahaha oh well right? He is a beast and there is a lot to learn from him. Especially since he got good at the game SO quickly. I don't see what it would make you lose respect for RSD. The guy is a teacher of the game not some role model, guru, etc. They say that all the time. He shows you how to stick your penis in other peoples orifices, what Julien or you do with that knowledge isn't each others business.

Its good you got some moral bone dude but your at hot seat. Take it for what it is and suck as much value out of that sucker as you can
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@icewahine:

From what i saw at the hotseat he didn't do anything depraved. Yeah he lied at times, and likes to push boundaries when talking to chicks but he doesn't want them dead or anything.

Try talking to him one on one, he's a normal dude with good intentions. The man TEACHES after all, and answers every tedious question at the hotseat in full detail.
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@SituAsian: Oh man this is
@SituAsian:
Oh man this is hilarious.

Julien's my old wing I know him superwell he's harmless. And it's not like he's got a gang of of mercenaries following his every word. It's just him fucking around. I'm sure the extra added umphh to his sauciness was the fact he was there with Alex, who is one seriously devious cunt. He's used to being with Tyler day in and day out.. the fucking razor straight-edged boss of the company. Finally making executive coach and travelling the world with his own money has got to be super liberating.
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Re: JULIEN from RSD is the most psychologically .....
@SituAsian: Julien is bad ass. Did you see the level of girl he's pulling? if he said some edgy shit at hotseat, ignore that shit and learn from him is my suggestion. I'm pulling off cool shit using RSD principals, some of them are directly Julien's stuff. Again, don't let your view of the kid fuck up the gold that's being taught. The goal is to get the girls you want right?
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@SituAsian:
Oh man this is hilarious.

Julien's my old wing I know him superwell he's harmless. And it's not like he's got a gang of of mercenaries following his every word. It's just him fucking around. I'm sure the extra added umphh to his sauciness was the fact he was there with Alex, who is one seriously devious cunt. He's used to being with Tyler day in and day out.. the fucking razor straight-edged boss of the company. Finally making executive coach and travelling the world with his own money has got to be super liberating.


im glad he is a harmless little flower. lol kinda sounds like me when im on fire. most of my state is built by fucking with people, lying, etc. its fun. but alex is a crazy depraved one eh? i really like alexs shit coming out recently. makes more sense in practical terms than tylers stuff. i really like tylers free tour vids but from a more academic standpoint. like i study economics for fun, not really useful for my real life. same with tyler to me. (I want to emphaize TO ME part). But alex vids coming out i can easily apply to my game and have seen direct results.


edit: MW, he used to be your wing? i knew you guys gamed together but was he based in las vegas with you for a while? I don't really know much about his story
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@SituAsian: Naw I was in
@SituAsian:
Naw I was in Hollywood for a while we hit it up for a couple months.
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Re: JULIEN from RSD is the most
@SituAsian:

I hate circle jerks but I really like the guy (Julien). He's super positive and disciplined....His HotSeat was nothing short of phenomenal. Better than Tyler's IMO. All that lying - that was his fucked up sense of self-amusement. It's fun being an asshole. Do this womanizing shit long enough and you'll realize a lot of really good looking girls enjoyed fucked up shit. This shit ain't Disneyland mann. I really wish it could be but then you're just like every other fuckin phony ass chode who acts all nice to the chick but then is a dick to most people and all bitter. Soon you'll come to realize a lot of girls enjoy seeing your DARK side.

I'm more than sure Julien does that emotional shit because he enjoys giving girls some of that shit that they gave him while he learned how to get good. Girls will use YOU as emotional playthings if you're not strong enough. FOR MOTHERFUCKIN SURE..

And please let's not turn this forum into a bash RSD kind of thing. RSD has a shit ton of positives and a couple of negatives. Shit can't ever be 100% GOOD. Take it for what it is. Let's appreciate what they do and definitely appreciate what Manwhore has done - which I feel is the perfect complement to RSD : TEXT/FOLLOW-UP GAME and lets keep it that way.

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Eh.. I don't like only being
Eh.. I don't like only being thought of as "text game guy". I brought caveman sexual escalation to RSD back when Jeff was still a robotic gangster and Tyler hadn't fucked another girl in 3+ yrs. Alex and I pulled two girls to their SUV, I was whomping on my girl's pussy in the backseat while he was still making out with his. I know I sound like a tool bringing this up, but that's because I am.
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@SituAsian:
Those poor innocent women.
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Hahahahaha. Love the part that says "When tyler hadn't banged a chick in 3+ years."
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@Manwhore:

lulz at the Tyler remark

in all seriousness, RSD is one big dysfunctional family of PIMPS.
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@SituAsian:

look I don't know if the bloke was fucking around or not, but if he was he sure as fuck managed to convince me AND the rest of the mostly wide-eyed newbies at the seminar that he truly enjoyed the act of emotionally manipulating and corrupting women (not just already emotionally damaged women, ALL women, the normal and healthy ones too) and turn them into string puppets not for sex, not for relationships, na non of that good ol healthy shit, but simply for his own personal twisted sense of satisfaction.

Someone up there said he's doing it to get back at WOMEN (in general) for doing the same to him when he was still learning this stuff - oh, so it's a revenge thing is it? An eye for an eye kinda shit? Stooping to the same level as women, who are by nature emotional creatures, when you know better because you're bitter about the way they treated you when you were still an immature little beta boy? That's EXACTLY the kind of vibe I was getting from him; 100% pure unadulterated beta BITTERNESS. Pfff fuck that weak shit, if you learn game simply to get back at women then you have a lot more to worry about than just getting your dick wet mate. Like MW previously said in one of his articles which totally brought it home for me - if you think learning game is going to fill that void inside you then you're in for a big surprise. You fix yourself up first, become a wholesome and attractive value-giving individual and the bitches will come not the other way around.

Look, maybe I'm wrong, maybe he was simply sensationalizing to sell himself. Whatever. I hope that's the case. Cus listening to him retelling one of his old conquer stories back in the day (although he had enough sense to add that this was when he was still "young and stupid") to the crowd and seeing it receiving such a positive reaction made me feel kinda sick that people actually condone this kind of fucked up behaviour, it went something like this:

So this was back when he was still living in LA and partying it up every night at these exclusive insider parties; he was dating this 23yo doctor chic who was apparently a beautiful wholesome little stunner. What he would do every night before going out to "get into state" (verbatim) is to get some booze then call up his mrs and tell her to come see him cus he had something important to tell her. She would then drive 50 minutes to come see him and he would then proceed to "break-up" with her on the spot and watch her beg and cry trying to change his mind for 30 minutes straight whilst he got drunk and "basked in the glory of external validation" (not his words, this is my expression). After he had had enough he'd say goodbye leave and jet to the clubs to pick up chics. After he finished at the club usually around 3-4am, sometimes after banging some new chic he just picked up, he'd then call up his "ex" to make up with her get her to come pick him up bring him back to her place to have sex and pass out.

Fucking classy shit ha? I don't give a fuck how much game you got, you pull some shit like that and you automatically turn into a pathetic little bitch in my eyes and anything that comes out of your mouth from that point forth is considered worthless garbage to me. It's just how I operate, I can't learn from someone whom I do not respect. a LARGE part of why I've signed up to this forum and paid for the membership and commit to learn from ManWhore's materials etc. is because I have a lot of RESPECT for him and his character. If I later find out that MW has pulled some shit like this, which I doubt cus it's not like him at all or so I hope, then cya later I'm outta here the moment that knowledge hits me.

Anyway, this has been a long rant. Take it for what it is. Time to go lift! Check ya later bros!
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buddhagames;643.4716;8 wrote:

Eh, yeah. MOst people in the game do not have good intentions.


sadly this is true
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Ya doctor chick was super sexy and luscious. We'd all tease Julien and make playful jabs at trying to steal her. Honestly back then I probably could have but that wasnt our grade of play. It was later on when Julien and Tyler started going out exclusively together that this whole "competition/Im going to steal your girl" type thing became "ok" within rsd. And in fact I'd say that ALSO plays a role in this whole thing. Tyler really sensationalized this whole story and made it to be SUPER polarizing when in actuality she was just a chick julien had a relationship with and yes they werent exclusive and she just enjoyed his flamboyant boyishness. And.. to be honest Im not even sure Tyler ever met her. He was definitely in the picture and we were all hanging out.. but it was myself and a couple other guys in Hollywood that knew doctor chick.

I do appreciate you bringing up the character "aspect" of this whole thing. I remember when back in the day RSD was SUPER professional and we maintained strict business ethics when operating and running program. Then rsd turned fratstar about 3 years ago with the advent of Alex's antics then Jeff going "well fuck it Im having fun too." Back in the day, instructors were role models and were viewed as someone that could be examined on many different levels, from handling girls, to emotional and mental temperament as well as self-discipline. This just is no longer the case.
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Re: JULIEN from RSD i fucked up kid I've ever seen!!!
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HAHA! That story is hilarious.

It's actually the exact kind of shit I used to do back in the day... I would do that kinda stuff to girls ALL THE TIME. lmao, at the time I thought it was fun as shit. Like to havea girl sitting there begging you to not break up with her, completely confused as to why you're doing it. ONly in your head you're like, "haha this is sooo funny, I don't give a shit"....


LMFAO- the funny part is how you don't even need to know "game" to do this shit to girls. It's a weak man's sport.


This one girl texted me 44 times in a one hour period while I was watching dexter and I would like respond with just enough interest to keep her texting me but never actually go outside. She ended up waiting outside my house for like almost an hour and a half while I finished this show... Finally walked outside and she was like, "can i come sleep with you?" and I'm just like, "nah"... walk back inside.. then call her like an hour later and tell her to come over... then rinse wash repeat, just depending on what mood I was in I would eventually fuck her but not until she had come over and gone back to her place multiple times.

Yeah, I had a fucked up sense of confidence... ANYWAYYYY

SO SO glad I started meditating.
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Geezez christ that's fucked up.
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Re: JULIEN from RSD i fucked up kid I've ever seen!!!
@Manwhore:

Yup.

But it's funny... Like to someone whose never talked to a girl before in their life, Julien's story probably sounds SO FUCKING COOL to some dudes. LIke omg I can do THAT!!

Ha- to me, I'm just like about to puke. I would rather get zero girls than relate to girls in that sorta way again. like seriously, this is something I am very much okay with in my head. I told myself this a long time ago... If I never touch a girl again, but I relate to girls normally then I will be fine and I will figure out my way in life.

That's why I personally came to rsd... It wasn't so much to GET girls (I could kinda already do that... obviously not nearly at rsd level... but certainly at like a level where I wasn't hurting for pun) but it was to figure out hwo to have sex with girls in a normal, "natural" way that involved a healthy relation to them.

Like a lot of guys probably are scarred from how much girls hurt THEM... HA! I'm fucking scarred from how much I've hurt girls! Yeahhh... IM THE PREDATOR BITCH!!! hahaha I'm kidding. Kind of ; ) some authority figure tried telling me once that I was a "predator" and "preyed" on woman... lmao, she was weird.

I think it's very obvious that I am nothing close to a predator at this point in my life : )
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Re: JULIEN from RSD i fucked up kid I've ever seen!!!
@buddhagames: Evul Buddah! ...Bad, bad, bad!
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LMFAO- this was wayyyy before buddha entered my life : )

But yes. Everyone has a shadow : )... That shit I just wrote... damn, glad this is pretty much annoymous site, except for a few people who I'm sure will meet me... but yeah, that's stuff I def. don't go around telling people in my day to day life.

People have a tendency to judge : /
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Re: JULIEN from RSD i fucked up kid I've ever seen!!!
@buddhagames:

Fuck it i'll share some evil pre tolle behaviours of mine too.

Even as a young child I had some rediculous sense of entitlement, but it was kinda evil. People used to bend over my cot all like "awww cuteee" BOOM! I'd headbutt, bite and fuck peoples shit up lol. When I was a toddler I bit a rockstars nipple and he threw me at a wall, fairplay. Here in the UK we have a toyshop chain called Toys'R'us I dunno if you guys in the US have it, but bascially they had those cool peddle cars you could get into and drive around the store. Some kid was in my favourite one so I pulled him out the car jumped in and peddled off. GTA style! I basically used to dominate other kids, always punching them, pushing others. I was some super alpha child haha

Throughout High School I always loved throwing things at other people from a distance. this one time I nailed some kid in the head with an apple from about 100yrds away, it was glorious. At the time of impact it was like inception that shit blew up in slow motion. He preceeded to cry. funnily enough all this dickish behaviour caught up on me and my entire friend group and peers pretty much disowned me, I made friends with the unpopular kids, who funny enough got me into Pickup.

As far as chicks are concerned I remember the first time a girl broke my heart, I fucked her best friends GF at the time. Not only did I do that but then as soon as we finished having sex, within like 10 minutes I picked up my phone and pretended it was the doctors, confirming I had an appointment or some shit. SO i said she needed to go. Completely cold and heartless. I felt like a dick shortly after. Oh yeah and I remember banging that ex GF after a few bottles of wine, Parents walked in on it. jeepers. I then shouted at the mum saying she had control issues and was insane lol. My temper used to be as explosive as diarrhea

Thank fuck I got into tolle, I used to be Super Douche
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haha! I had a buddy in hs who threw an apple at some dude... he proceeded to get the shit beat out of him though. So slightly different ending
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D is the most psychologically and e ever seen!!!
Before Tolle I shit my pants in first grade on the playground
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I shat my pants in what you guys call kindergarten. piched it into a bunny tail and started hopping around. Other kids started to copy me lol
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This is going to sound really
This is going to sound really dark, but I'm kind of envious of you folks that are capable of more fucked up shit. More and more I see that the emotion involved with seduction is totally unconcerned with morality or rationality. If you can make a girl feel strong emotions, she will fuck you. The messed up thing in a lot of these situations is not the manipulative behavior as a man, but that the women come back for more of it. Even if they cry and say whatever, they *do* come back for more, and this girl would come back and fuck julien at 4 in the morning. Their actions tell you exactly what they want.

I don't do these things, not because I have moral standards of behavior or something, but just because I'm kind of a pussy and can't handle the emotional intensity. I don't want to destroy a girl's soul, but I do want to be able to get women emotionally worked up and I want to cultivate being able to take pleasure in that.
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Ya really, this. Some girls are sweethearts and I draw the line at certain places, and I dont think Ive ever taken pleasure in hurting a girl emotionally, but generaly I could give a fuck if what I do makes them feel all butthurt and fucked in the head. Ive actually felt bad about kicking girls out, fucking drunk chicks, girls with bfs, girls with weird life issues...I dont care at all anymore, this aint philanthropy. It isnt masochism either, obviously.
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Falc;643.4803;26 wrote:
Ya really, this. Some girls are sweethearts and I draw the line at certain places, and I dont think Ive ever taken pleasure in hurting a girl emotionally, but generaly I could give a fuck if what I do makes them feel all butthurt and fucked in the head. Ive actually felt bad about kicking girls out, fucking drunk chicks, girls with bfs, girls with weird life issues...I dont care at all anymore, this aint philanthropy. It isnt masochism either, obviously.


this is pretty much my opinion on all this shit. i couldn't close my rsdnation window this night fast enough all i saw was shit about jules new video. who gives a fuck. maybe its exciting because its outside of so many newbs realities but really who cares. i dated a crazy chick for a while until i didnt want to put up with her bullshit any more. i dumped her, she said she was cool with it, we had sex (she was reallllyyyy good in bed. so much fun) and then post sex she lost it. and couldn't find it for like months after. basically until she found another guy. like she went full out nuts. i felt kinda bad but.. oh well. thats half the reason i broke up with her because i felt i was doing charity keeping this girl in check and somewhat sane. not my job, not my prob, might go down to the warehouse and polish my knob (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8HFSgmPv6k)

but really i think i heard tyler talking about this once and even referenced that doctor chick. they crave that drama, they are addicted to it. whether for better or worse they NEED it. or else why would the doctor chick keep going back. or why would my ex send flowers to every female in my family to multiple addresses and drive 4 hours without notice to show up at my door. or why would that crazy bitch wander outside buddha's house for 2 hours??? cause they crave the drama and want some stable dick metaphorically and literally.

if you worked at a grocery store and some fat bitch came in there and bought up all the soda, candy and ice cream in the place would it be your responsibility to talk her out of it and/or not sell her it? but what if she is emotionally distressed and her grandpa fucked her with a candy bar when she was a child and eats her pain away?? that sucks.. i wouldn't do anything to harm her but its not my responsibility to help her especially if she doesn't ask for help
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This conversation is pointless.

Understand who you want to be and what your values are and where your line is and and none of this matters and you can just laugh at how silly the world can be sometimes... But it doesn't effect you because you know what you want and who you want to be.
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lol. i just watched the jules
lol. i just watched the jules vid in question and literally every story he told i have one verry similar. right down to the fucking a girl in a ghetto ass house. it was a crack dealers apartment and pretty much exactly how jules described it right down the dog shit on the floor. while we were making out a huge ass guy and some drugged some slut walk in and start ransacking the place. i pause for a second to asses the situation, im able to not freak out haha. they don't acknowledge us even though were sitting on a couch across the room... they finishing rummaging through the main room and head in the bedroom. thats when i picked my girl up and left, called the apartment super who called the cops... after the ordeal i finished what i started in that same room.. after locking the door.

entertaining story over but yeah, i related to him a lot in that video. i thought he was being a douche from what i read in this thread but ive had several relationships like that. like that german chick i made a FR about (still gotta post those texts...). i think i must've spent 15 mins actually getting to know her aside from that it was making out and dancing in the club or fucking on her bed. but i had a girlfriend at the time. we were breaking up so i didn't care but we were still exclusive. i told her that and played with the drama that resulted. but like jules said they can tell your not emotionally invested! and shes super hooked. literally barely had any actual knowledge of each other but shes like "you should come see me in germany" "i need a guy like you, one with direction" all this shit. making any excuse as to why she liked me. but shes got the love drug for me now. i only talk to her once every few months and all she tells me is how german guys suck and i was the last guy to make her horny.

when i broke up with the crazy bitch in my above post she was just loving the drama that resulted. i really did like her and enjoyed the time that we had but when i broke up with her, we drove up to a cute little park, listening to a cd she made for me the week before. she knew it was coming so she was pretty quiet and unresponsive. wouldn't make out with me. i asked her why and it was because "she knew something was coming" so i break up with her and am all like "fuck i hate this so much. your amazing i like you soo so much, we have so much fun together. but you know what, your a little older than me and im just not ready to handle this committed of a relationship right now." i listed a few things i had that were troubling in my life at the time and said i wouldn't be able to handle all that plus us being together... she KNEW i could handle that shit. she knew that wasn't the reason i broke up with her. but for the next six months it gave her drama in her life witch she loved. not talking to her for a while. then thinking we could become fuck buddies and no commitment because it was "too much for me." fooling around a few times then not talking for a few weeks. then i cut things off for real because she was getting annoying and she'd still call me at all hours of the next for WEEKS. and went full retard.



anyways yeah when drama comes up like that they love it. and its like a mega shit test. they can see your unwavering with all this bullshit around you guys. funny enough those stories were the best sex and funnest relationships (flings) ive ever had.
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I just watched the Julien vid
I just watched the Julien vid in question as well. Julien is a fucking master seducer, in the true sense of the word.

People misframe this as hurting the woman in some way. Fuck no. You give her an incredible gift of deep emotional experience. A lot of beta white-knight guys are scared of emotion and emotional experience, they don't have the internal strength to sit comfortably with strong emotion, and they project that onto women. Women desire calibrated drama and emotional experiences.

Beta dudes are uptight about the "moral rightness" of an act before their true biological desires, alpha men with women act on emotion and thus biology, not letting society dictate their behavior. An example is when beta men get up in arms about women lying[1]... I don't think it's really lying. They speak on an emotional level and not on a literal level. I read on the RSD forums that as a bootcamp demo, Tyler used to get a girl to say one thing and then say something totally opposite. It was to demonstrate that she's not trying to lie, just following her emotion. Speaking "woman-ese".

Julien understands this very precisely. When he lies to women about cheating on other girls, even as it's an obvious lie, he's speaking to her on an emotional level. So few guys can do this and it feels really powerful to her to communicate with a man that *does understand it*. Of course she's going to get addicted. If you do it right she'll remember you for the rest of her life. And that's not a bad thing. She wants the emotional experience of the drama!

Dumping her and then fucking her, fingerbanging her sister, this is all purely the stuff of emotion. Julien did not kill her dog to make drama. Julien didn't physically harm her or rape her. That's the stuff of genuine maliciousness that cannot be repaired.

There's a deep parallel with being good in bed. Just as she doesn't want to gently make love missionary every time, she doesn't want the boring emotion of total contentedness in a relationship. She wants to be fucked up the ass hard while being called a slut, roughly used until she slurps down your cum and then stroked gently and tenderly with some soul connecting eye contact. She wants the same emotional treatment, that "emotional variety", and Julien provides *exactly* that .

Attraction and sexuality is not moral or logical. It is emotional and biological. One can pretend it is not, but it is denial of real human sexual behavior in favor of some white-knight absurd fantasy. In the emotional world that women occupy, the cardinal sin is not to be "morally wrong". The cardinal sin is to be boring.

[1] Some women are genuinely more honest than others. Not arguing that.
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Re: I just watched the Julien vid
@Lumpy:

Ye, Lumpy, you're spot on.

Most of the time i'm in resistance with going as hard as Julien does cause i don't feel as entitled to fuck around with a hot chick's emotions as he does. Most betas who watch his shit and bitch about him are probably angry at themselves for not having the confidence or balls to be able to pull off the same shit - it's out of their reality, therefore it's wrong.

If you want the quickest way to assert your own influence it would be thru doing shit like this - i do think he went too far when he was sadistically causing pain to that doctor chick. That wasn't cool, and at least he admitted that.
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@SituAsian: I think alot of
@SituAsian:

I think alot of this stuff plays off of womens' insecurities too, not just their addiction to drama. They just dont wanna lose you, so you can do whatever the fuck you want and the more you do it makes them feel like they youre better then then them so they want you more. Girls do it to us too, think about some girl that flakes on you after you travelled 30 mins to meet her, doesnt respond then lets you try to set a meetup again before flaking on you a second time. Youre just playing off that 1% chance that itll still work out, and the slimmer that chance gets the better you feel if it does.

In my pre PUA days I personally had a girl makeout with other guys infront of me, then let me take her home and not fuck her. Id deny to myself that it even happened, but the harder she was for me to control the more I was willing to sacrifice to have her. When you feel like you can get a person you dont deserve (ie. a higher value person) youll submit completely and resort to shit like crying and begging because you have no other selling point, you have no value to offer and basically hope they will give in to your neediness because "you love them" or some shit, and if they give you 1% belief that youll be fulfilled youll keep chasing the dragon.
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fucked up kid I've ever seen!!!
There are fucked up people everywhere. There are plenty of other instructors too if its that big of an issue. I really think its mental masturbation w/o talking to him more. ( Ie He could be trying to cater to his audience, could just be kidding. Who knows. )Point is, just do you.
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lol-watched the video
@SituAsian:

Okay, so I broke down and since I am in the middle of fucking nowhere, decided to watch the julien video that's causing all of this uproar...

Dudes...

This is not half as bad as people make it seem.

For starters: I have personally emotionally manipulated girls with FAR WORSE intentions. I mean, for fucks sake... you KNOW it's bad when you get off on the emotional manipulation more so than you do the actual sex.

Second off: Deep rapport is executed exactly like he's talkin bout... Now, obviously I'm still pretty new to all of this... but when I'm locked in with a girl at the club/bar and it's flowing... I go for the emotional kill shot ever time. AKA: "You know, I'm actually pretty insecure... I've never told anyone this..." uhmmm WHAT. EVER : )

You think the girl actually thinks that I'm being serious when I say that shit? The only reason it works well for me, is because I think and feel pretty much in the exact same way a girl does... except I love pussy and I'm becoming more of a man and gaining more of that masculine polarity every day. Anyway, I'm not trying to sit here and be like, "YO, I'm a pro, I know what I'm talking about. Listen to me"... I'm just sitting here like.. uhmm, yeah... this isn't stuff that like ONLY pua's do...Anyway, being raised by chicks def. has it's advantages (And a ton of stuff that I gotta work on)... I mean for fucks sake, I've been doing this shit since like sophomore year of hs when all my boys were like, "Yo BG how the fuck do you do it?" I'm all.... uhmmm guys.... get raised by a mom and a sister with no father figure and youd do it too... maybe...

But what Julien is doing is just that but like 1000000% better. It's just about emotions... Think of it this way- when any dude who knows what he's doing gets into deep rapport mode with a girl...

Like it's not that he's talking with words... he's talking with emotions... like for me, I can literally FEEL myself projecting a vibe onto the girl.. I can literally feel it.

Now, take this for what it is cause I'm no pro and I still def. consider myself a beginner when it comes to actual "Game" and whatnot...

But what julien is doing is not fucked up. He just has it down to such a fucking unbelievable level that guys are like... yo... wtf man

Also: When I would do it... I had no clue what I was doing and it's only watching his videos that I'm like, "oooo snap"... the thing about julien is that he has control over his emotions so he doesn't get caught up in it... a lot of dudes who get pussy do this kinda shit but can't control it so they get just as caught up in it as the girl does... but it's still just as much of a lie... the only difference being that your lieing to yourself AND the girl... and deep down, neither of you believes it anyway
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^ right arm being raised by
^ right arm

being raised by two older sisters, a mom and grandma with hardly any masculine energy around really helps. i knew so much about girls at a young age. and reading what you said about like emotionally connecting with a chick while vibing really illustrates this whole thing. literally any girl ive hooked hard like what julien talks about i either give them one of two emotions. drama emotions or establish a realllyyy deep connection. like some ryan gosling in the notebook shit. makes them feel sooo special and makes them 100% comfortable with you
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@icewahine:

lol i used to act super feminine around chicks in hs, and it was fucking hilarious when i was a drama queen. Dudes don't like it when you do this shit around them. In fact they hate it.

When i do let go of all logic...like completely, and ride the tide of emotions - its fun as fuck, like some real trippy shit. Except in the past i didn't escalate or have any of the fundamentals down except for providing good emotions.
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Ohh dude I was the same.
Ohh dude I was the same. Girls would literally throw themselves at me but I didn't know to escalate. Like girls would follow me around, isolate themselves with me, give me prolonged hugs and look at me in the eyes and I was just like "durrrr I feel your boobies pressed against me" and go home and masturbate to that feeling. It was always one girl at a time too lol. They would do that shit, get bored and move on and then another girl would come an the same thing would happen. It's a shame too because me wanting to bang high school chicks just gets weirder and weirder as time goes on...

But I think it was because I wasn't trying to get in their pants much unlike other guys so it was just pure offering value and connecting with them, if I were tryin to lay them I would probably just eff it up.
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Re: Eh.. I don't like only being
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Telling it like it is... love it :)
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Re: Eh.. I don't like only being
Manwhore;643.4748;5 wrote:
Eh.. I don't like only being thought of as "text game guy". I brought caveman sexual escalation to RSD back when Jeff was still a robotic gangster and Tyler hadn't fucked another girl in 3+ yrs. Alex and I pulled two girls to their SUV, I was whomping on my girl's pussy in the backseat while he was still making out with his. I know I sound like a tool bringing this up, but that's because I am.


@Manwhore:
Telling it like it is... love it :)
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lol he looks even more

lol he looks even more phsychopatic in his latest videos

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In person he's super

In person he's super empathetic and a nice guy.

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Cholo wrote:lol he looks

Cholo wrote:
lol he looks even more phsychopatic in his latest videos

Big time  

His eyes are all lazy and glazed over lol

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he is just tired and

he is just tired and overworked, when you will meet him you'll see he is a really nice guy with a slightly twisted sense of humor ;)