INFINITE shit test?

This is your new autopilot response when a girl responds to a meetup with, "I have a boyfriend":

YOU: bring him too. Its only homo if you make eye contact
The last part is optional btw

Also, if you get "I have a boyfriend" In person... I like to reply with, "would you like another one?" Or "you're hot enough for two" etc

It shows her that she's dealing with a badass dude who doesn't care about boyfriends and will fuck her.

Thanks for the quick reply.

I'll adopt this for sure yet I don't think "Thats nice but it doesnt change my needs" has an essentially different effect

The boyfriend objection is not like the usual one. it is obvious BS and and more of a joke. 

The actual problem i gues is lacking comfort?

Reading through the entire convo takes propably too long thats why I'll clarify:

She talks about a boyfriend who is obviously not existing and she does not even try to make it sound believeable.

She keeps qualifying herself but I still can't make her commit to meeting up

You're incredibly egotistical and even mean at points with this girl. Even in the way you cut off Infinity's advice (which is good) it's displayed. 

Manwhore said it lol. Your ego is the biggest obstacle you're going to have to deal with in the game. You'll probably have to go through some embarassing shit. But it's only embarassing/painful if you have an ego to protect.

You need to be conscious of the frames you're setting and the roles that you and the girl play within them. Frames MUST be set from the very beginning. The "gay best friend" frame isn't working for you. How can you be an attractive, sex-worthy man within that frame? You can't. What you're doing here is a YOU vs HER kind of thing. You're coming from the belief that she's higher value and you have to "neg" her until she feels so low value that she has to meet up with you to gain her value back. NO GOOD.

What you want to do is set up a YOU + HER frame. IE girlfriend/boyfriend, husband/wife, boss/secretary, instructor/student...  and allow her to "play" with you in that frame. This is the space where you will get a lot of playful banter and offer a lot of value from.

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Gold comment. I wrote down similar "remark" about myself not even 2 days ago so it is *scary* that you put it in this way Infinity. Ashitaka, I hope you're like this just with the girls and not with people in general, like I am :).

@money. Yes that's why I made the point about the way he responded to Infinity. Also.. Ash's line and his line are nothing alike. Both have much deeper possible connotations. 

Everything about how you're perceiving her bringing up a boyfriend, e.g. "she does not even try to make it sound believable." is another huge sign of your competitive nature with women. Dude you HAVE to listen to them.. to what they're saying. It can't all be an ego battle. If it is made up, WHY would she do that? You have to look at YOUR behavior. Not try to get in an ego battle and blame the woman. You can't learn that way, or develop yourself. You will stay in that zone for YEARS potentially. Always being so distrustful and resentful of women. 

It's from that old skool "women are the enemy" approach to gaming them. We're never going to logically convince a woman we are superior and therefore make her ready to mate with us. Lol. That's not how it works. Biology works OPPOSITE. Girls are innately distrustful of guys that bicker with girls. It's a sexual no no on an evolutionary level. A guy that does this knocks himself out of "sexworthy" status immediately. She will not fuck that guy. 

damn that is so true! I love you guys:)

Altough I tried to create togetherness in person by holding her as if she was my gf and asking her friends if we would make a got couple I did not set the right frame...

I got carried away with this whole "value thing" Julien seems to emphasize. I consider myself to be sociable and kind in general.

However just the night before this convo my little ego got so pissed when a girl, I had previously opend on the train went for the dude who came with my buddy. I ended up talking weird shit trying to qualify myself.

I'm grateful for your advice.

haven't hit her up since the "You can go back to Ivan -sucker".

How would you go about setting the right frame?

i did it again

i think these ad pop ups mislead me into double posting. usually using adblock:P

Ad pop ups? I don't have ads.. they might be on your end. Spyware or adware installed on your computer maybe? 

not sure everytime i clicked a button some shit popped up. felt like it would be rude to turn a blocker on for your domain ;) should be fine turned it back on

The thing you got completely wrong about Julien's game is that he ALSO displays a lot of emotional vulnerability, while at the same time also being emotionally abusive. You only were working with one half of the puzzle. But that's the part that a lot of guys' egos can't let them accept or practice. 

What kind of an ad, holmes. What did it look like. This might be something I need to investigate. 

case closed. your firs suspicion was on point. I investigated my harddrive and located ominous "hardware boosters" that creeped their way in.

1)Any resources (books, articles etc., besides practice) on not making interactions a battle?

2) How do I be more vulnerable lol?

Oh shit glad I could help that shit's terrible. But all your selfie dick pics have gone straight to the NSA by now. They got you right where they want you. 

I'd like to have some of the guys answer first. 

You shall get some. Hold your body fluids I'm working on it.

So damn insightful. It is unfortunate that great stuff like this is sprinkled in random places throughout the forum. I NEED to just comb through like a miner and excerpt them into a collection of mw wisdom. So I could review and internalize over time.

Also, Infinty's comment about setting the frames of being in roles together.

1. IMO, it's an inner game thing more than anything. As Infinity said, you need to shift out of a Me vs. the girl frame into a Me AND the girl frame. Instead of viewing it as though you have to constantly be trying to win her over, you need to learn to trust in your own value. Sure, you still have to open/hook at the beginning of the interaction cuz otherwise you're not even in the game/on her radar. But after that, you need to just trust that "you are enough" basically and just start having fun with her instead of constantly trying to spike her attraction/your value. Switch from 90-10 to 50-50.

Thx Rezz, I'm not big on tolle, more of a Jed Mckenna type of guy (which in the end - is all the same imho), and the pure quantity of shit I unraveled in the last couple of years is just dunno, too big for words. NOW, for the last 6 months I'm undergoing some kind of spontaneous reprogramming, basically for the most of my childhod I was told I'm an introvert type and I'm slowly finding out how I'm exactly the opposite so I'm working on my overall dynamic with not just women, but people in general.

Issues ranging from being passive-aggressive, lacking empathy, child of two narcissist, and lack of social exposure basically until college. But I've got a hard-on for truth so that helps. 

My favorite oversimpimplification (I swear I just typo-'d that and had to leave it lol) of masculine-feminine dynamics that I've ever heard is this:

She's a butterfly chaser. She just wants to chase butterflies. Your job is to hold a safe space, so to speak. You make sure she doesn't stumble into a tree, off a cliff or trip on a rock. When she's around you she can feel safe and free to chase butterflies without a care in the world. You direct her where not to go. What I like about this is even though yours is clearly a leadership role, if she's providing the inspiration then on a whole nother level, she is the leader. With this dynamic, you operate in different planes yet you are a team, you each have a distinct purpose and yet your purpose is aligned

this is obviously just a fun thought experiment. Not to be taken too seriously or literally 

ok so i reengaged with vulnerability

ME: <her name> :)

HER: aha now <her name> again and not Sucker?

ME: I like you but I don't know why. It's weird...

she makes no move to text back

this seems a littlle out of context.

I'd appreciate further, possibly specific insights from you guys.

lol, I didn't mean to do it like that over text. I guess I should have specified. woops

I have no text game, so I would ask somebody else about this

LOL.

I need to clarify that this isn't Rezznt's fault you tried to shove a round peg in a square hole. If you want actual texts to send that's fine we do that here ;), but you need to be sure before you try to throw something at a girl you've never tried before lol. 

Eckhart Tolle + Taking Action.  You must learn to be present as a general matter.  Specifically when dealing with girls, they're battling with you because they don't accept your leadership.  It may be because you're sending off negative vibes because you're in your head, or they feel like you're fake or try-hard.  When you're present and you've taken action such that you've failed and learned from it and in turn built up your self-confidence, then you can walk into interactions with girls knowing you can handle them smoothly. 

The reason why Everyone stresses Tolle and Presence is that without it most people spend their lives in fear in their head and allow resistance to sabotage them from taking the action that they must. 

Presence + Confidence from Learning through taking action.  You eventually reach a point wherein you're secure in yourself and know that you can handle any situation with girls.  In this way you can open yourself up to her and make a true connection without fear of her judging you negatively.  Even if she doesn't respond well at first, who cares, your self-image isn't tied up in her opinion of you.  If you're genuinely sharing yourself with her without fear she'll pick up on this and accept what you're doing.  And at that point if she doesn't, then you probably don't want to talk to her anyways. 

Also, with confidence in your ability to lead and command her attention, then its not difficult to turn a seemingly "negative" situation around. 

This text convo is actually genuinely fucked. Not sure where I'd take it

Everyone, thanks A LOT.  Seriously, I don't think I've ever tried to lead til like 6 months ago, something I'm majorly uncomfortable with, but hey it's getting better.

I would just do a sort of restart text. Give her some sort of funny/relevant non-sequitur type statement with a hook. "Mmm I love cheese mashed potatoes. How's sculpting going" 

I don't think she took the bickering too personal. I continued with basic chit chat:

ME: I like you but I dont't know why. It's weid...

HER: Great idea to always talk smack to me then :P

ME: Hm. I'll try to decrease that.;)

How was your day?:D

HER: super good, nice weather, chilled classes and I got a little brown *_* The day just shined with positive energie =) How was your day and how was BBQ?:)

ME: Sunbath first thing in the morning which propably doesn not make me as brown as you with your ?Latina-genes ;D

I then got message from my employer in switzerland and I am currently thinking about how I will get there :P

HER: Not everything planed through already? :O ;D

ME: Na you guessed that right. It is at the back of beyond and only accessible by foot 2 hours from the busstation;P

HER: ;D

ME:

Indeed:

Men's ballet extends the growth phases of hair!

(inside joke from german Alpecin tv comercial, pretty hilarious shit)

why haven't I seen you in school simba?

Actually I'm simba already you're nala:P

Tryed to set a togetherness frame with these Lion King petnames

-So i thnk she reacts kinda well and displays interest. Any suggestion on how to transition to asking her out?-

Haha you fucking dick. Lol 

Ask her if she's more a bank robbery date kind of girl or a chill back and people watch kind of person. 

ty. That's a brilliant deep question to ask mine where rather boring

HER: Why didn't I see you in school?=)
Lets do ballett then=);D
ME: I was in school and did ballett!
HER: What?! thats badas;D
you ballerina;)
ME: My hips don't lie
HER: ;D
ME: What about yours`?
HER: I'm a swimmer :))
ME: Why?
HER: Why not?
ME:  Because little kittys usally don't like to swim :)
They tend to prefere icecream.
HER: Tigers dont..
ME: Aks your hips what they think about eating icecream with the producer from <troll-rap shit I'm doing with my buddy> -Studios((:
HER: Producers from <...>studios?
ME: Thats me;) surprise
HER: :D
ME: Currently packing my bag, Your photo is still missing(:
ME: <your question>
HER: depends on my mood but usually bank robbery
ME: I thought so ;)
HER: what about you? :D
ME: have to go in more detail for that but I'm off to the graduation party of <xyz school>
HER: And I'm not invited?? shocking :O;D
Have fun:* let the dogs out :D
ME: Jiahh. but don't foget the photo <her name>
godda need that when I get lost in the woods of switzerland to keep me going
HER: I gues a compass or a map would be more effective..
ME: not an option:D

I went through the forum and picked up the 'make me sandwich' routine which seems  brilliant

9 hr later:
ME: The dogs are over the hills and far away. Now I'm lying in bed and I'm hungry. Make me sandwiches:)
HER. how was it??
ME: too long
HER: what? not fun?
ME: yes it was. maybe ich should have gotten into less streetfights...
HER: haha for sure ;);D
ME: As a bank robber that is often inevitable. we both know that well enough;)
HER: Yes that is the other side of the coin..
ME: It would be best for us to do labor division. you are from now on my nurse who makes me sandwiches when i gave to many headbuts
HER: Haha=)
But now you're leaving :/
ME: na not until next week. you have time to make me a whole taccoplate;))
HER: well my cooking is not that great..
ME: not shit: if you would make me a taccoo you'd have my undieing love:))
HER: youre easy to have;D

1hr later

ME: lets hang out this weekend=)

Qualify/tease a little bit better concerning her cooking. And make your meetup flow better with the convo

i tried but it seems like I'm not able to make any kind of shit godown...

HER: thats a little brief now ;P

ME: I already anounced a demonstration of power to the gang. They prepared for it :P

HER: Well then this is good for them to shake them up.

ME: They say the first cars are burning and that you sould remember the tacco

HER: Haha Wow I haven't expected such a greeting :O

ME: I might drive to school at 2pm for ballet. What about you?

HER: I would drive to my (boy-)friend ((there is no explicit word in german)) at 2.30

ME: Come to <my adress> at 1pm and simply tell you (boy-)friend to come along

HER: No thank you:D

ME: If he complains we just say you adopted me as your brother;P

Yeah your meetup attempt was atrocious even she mentioned it. Just keep texting her with "normal" conversational banter, then when you go for a meetup again make it smooother, and aim for a "social" meetup. 

as i mentioned in my other thread, which didn't got attention (propaby because i was unable to pick a catchy titel) i got the girl on date and focused purely on comfort by beeing uninhibited.

Even tough I didn't escalate all that much I thought we had a great time and she texted my the same day asking me (about the van i am buying).

asked her out 3 times since then. the first time she seemed actually intent to make it work but we haven't met since.

When I asked her about her schedule she offered friday in 12 FUCKING DAYS.

what is this?

I'm not naturally inclined to read a block of text just because you posted it on the forum. Understand? Why should I. There's got to be some kind of value exchange. 

Post on other people's threads, write in the introductory thread.. make some connections. But trying to insinuate we didn't read/respond to a thread because we only respond to sensationalism will more than likely only create more resistance.