If you think a girl won't cheat on her boyfriend with you... (LR + FB msgs)

Nice, now compare these texts to previous ones you've given us. What sort of mindset are you using when talking to her? A lot of this stuff depends on chemistry and what not but you can shape the majority of your convos to look like this. 

Honestly my mindset was, I've been super tired from all the stuff I have going on right now, and I've been almost too tired to give a damn. And a huge part of it was my in person game. I went skating with her, even though I hate skating and fell on my ass, tripped a shit ton of people, tried to get up and fell again and knocked down a bunch of little kids. Somehow that turned her on more than anything. I dunno, for the most part though I just didn't care, even to close when I knew I technically should have.

That's actually a pretty powerful state to be in but it's not ideal since you're pretty tired. It does force you to be out of your head though.

Also, LOL at your photoshop picture.

So this girl's coming to Vegas, huh.

I'm going to make her believe in polygamy.. 

I like the husband thing. I've done it on accident a few times over the years, but now I realize it's probably some kind of really sneaky way of circumventing "the boyfriend dilemma". Derp 

The "husband frame" is killer. The reason it works is because it gives girls the rationalization. A lot of your ASD and LMR goes away. For example, she can do a lot of "slutty" stuff with you, but in her head it's 100% OK because "we're married." Like how she was rubbin up on me and letting me feel her bewbs even though someone she knows could walk past at any minute. Even if someone calls her out on it she can use your rationalization to excuse it, "It's ok, he's my 'husband.'"

Awesome job Infinity, this is super solid throughout. 

Who started the husband thing?

The husband thing originally came from Tim (who's no longer coaching). I've added a few little twists of my own. IMO, It's a phenominal way to establish a ton of good frames ie boss/daddy dynamic, prizing etc. I've noticed that a lot of girls hook to it REALLY HARD. Like this girl did.

In the video of Julien's PIMP game, where he talks about stacking "validation strips"... you already have a lot of that built into the husband frame, except it's a bit more subtle. For example, "If we're married how would you kiss me?" [she kisses me] "NO! Where did you learn that? Do it like THIS..." (no matter how she does it lol)

I can elaborate more, if MW's ok with it.

Why would I not be ok with it, holmes? 

I actually must've gotten the husband thing from Tim too now that I think about it. He was my boy back in the day, I'd crash at his place while interning on his bootcamps. He was probably my only "mentor" in the game. I learned a lot from that guy.. he only ever gave me one piece of advice directly, but hanging out with the dude and assisting on program I really expanded my game in ways that would have taken me years otherwise. I was already an advanced pimp, but that dude had angels wings. It was the positive unreactiveness and what he called "Bubble of Love". I would later turn that into multiple verbal drills that could be practiced and exercised to be made a natural part of someone. I was over at his place the final days he was piecing together Flawless Natural and he asked me to help him organize the material for it. But my take on his stuff was completely on another level in some areas. He wanted it all super simple. I was actually a bit disappointed with the end result. Tyler and I talked about it once or twice afterwards, we both agreed it should have been 5x better. 

I just wasn't sure how you would feel about me posting stuff like that on your forum.

I thought Tim was one of the coolest dudes in the community when I first came across him. But I don't think Tim just was very devoted to teaching and coaching. Flawless Natural was really nuts & bolts, stupid-simple stuff and he could've gone a LOT more in depth and explained WHY those things worked. But from my POV it was just right. I was viewing it from the exact opposite end that you were. I had been failing epically at Style/Mystery Meat. Coming across Flawless Natural was like... revolutionary.

Shiiiit. You have no idea 

He was years ahead of his time in the community. And sadly that's got a lot to do with why we lost him. If he was around now he would probably stick it through 

Yeah I watched the Flawless Natural and some of it definitely clicked for me. If you want to go more into the husband frame that would be sweet, I want to start trying it out. I think stacking validation strips and push is the most important thing I need to practice right now, next to leading/pulling/ making it go down in isolation

Yeah sure thing. I'll write it out tomorrow tho, I'm super tired and will probably screw it up if I try right now ;)

I think a big reason why the concept works for me, is that I really like women. I have five sisters whom I'm very protective and supportive of. So I was kinda raised with this mentality. I'm not going into this as if it's some trick/technique for the sole purpose of getting laid or increasing my "batting average" etc. If you go and use it for totally selfish reasons it WILL FAIL. Either she'll see through your bullshit or figure it out later and smash your windshield with a baseball bat.

I didn't even realize it at first, just did it naturally until MW mentioned it, but this is probably exactly the way that I manage to do this stuff with girls who are in relationships. So yeah, this is still really experimental for me but...

This is based on the concept from Tim that he calls "The bubble of Love."

It's very simple: You're creating an IMAGINARY scenario that allows for a VERY REAL, special connection between you and her. That special connection allows her to open up to you emotionally and sexually, because the special connection is real even though the scenario is imaginary. The girl knows this too, which is what makes it fun and is the beauty of it. AS LONG AS IT IS A FUN interaction between you and her, she will go along with getting sexual. She doesn't want to be the doofasaurus that ruins the fun/special connection she has with you. If she DOES... call her out on it! Call her a doofusaurus for ruining the fun. If you're doing "The husband" you'd say, "Alright, I'm divorcing you... Have fun sleeping in the car." That's the essense of "the bubble of love." Even if she tries to pop it you hold the frame and suck her back in.

The Bubble of Love = the real "special connection" between you and her

The Frame = the imaginary role-play scenario that implicates The Bubble... I.E. "The husband frame"

So that's the concept. I'll write the technical stuff, the how, in my next post when I have time.

What I think is funny is this whole thing will probably be buried in obscurity, but it is a magnificent piece of the game.

Sweet man thanks for posting this.

I kind of tested it out this weekend telling this girl she's my ex and I dumped her, but was thinking about taking her back

She bought into it and invested, but it definitely could have been better

I'd love to hear your method on the husband-wife frame. It sounds like the recipe for awesome sauce

AWESOME DUDE! I'm sorry this is taking me so long, but I don't want to half-ass it. Working a business, a full-time job and trying to start a website, plus trying to maintain a resemblance of a social life right now.

For now though... always go into it 100% and by making her qualify herself. She has to earn it. So if I was using your ex-gf thing, I'd do some qualification and say something like, "OMG you're exactly like a girl I dumped. I might take you back tho, if you're cool." The qualification part is important, otherwise she won't be nearly as invested in the "bubble."

^ Gay. 

Whatever lol. It always starts off with some sort of qualification. Even saying "hey youre cute, let's get married" is qualification. Otherwise girls just see it as some weird gimmick. I've tried. Never works.

That's not what I meant. I meant where's the rest of it 

Qualify Her:
Yeah so keep in mind, it's important that the girl feels like she was "chosen." If you go around doing this with every girl in the club it looks and feels try-hard. It's important to establish a REAL CONNECTION. The way Tim did it, I think, was to ask five random ass questions, like:
What's you're favorite color? Have you ever been fired from a job? Have you ever gotten anyone else fired? Do you like lizards?

Shit like that. I've never done that though. I like my way a little better... Usually all it takes is just finding out something about her that I really like. With the girl in the text convo above, I found out that she's a really REALLY good country singer. Like amazingly good. I like that. I think it's sexy.

Reward Her:
Tell her you like it. You always reward a girl for qualifying.

"Oh shit. I think that's awesome!" 

Close the trap:

"THAT'S IT! We're gettin married!"
[she giggles or whatever she does]
"No seriously... I mean RIGHT NOW."

At this point I like to get some stranger nearby and tell them that she and I are getting married and I need them to do the ceremony. Grab both her hands and look her in the eye. Usually the stranger will fuck it up really bad so I yell, "JUST SAY MAN AND WIFE!" When they say it... BANG! Go for the kiss. (this will also help keep the stranger from intruding) If she's playing along with the whole thing up until this point, she's most likely not going to deny you. Doing that would ruin the fun. I've never had it not work, but if it does, just say, "We're married now... that's what husband and wife do!" Or something like that.

Final thoughts:
So if you can pull all that off successfully, you are Mr. Sex and you can get away with pretty much anything. Your imagination is the limit.

-You can do "push/pull" stuff like threatening to divorce her, or tell your in-laws all the nasty things she did with you lol.
-One thing I've done before (kindof boyish humor) is I'll grab her hand and shove it down my pants. She usually jerks it back as a reflex. But I think it's funny as fuck.
-You can do Julien's whole "validation stripping" thing, in the context of the frame.
-I like to challange her (like I mentioned earlier) by saying, "Now that we're married, show me how you'd X." No matter how she does it, I tell her she fucked up and show her how to do it better.
-I do a lot of prizing. In fact, this stuff is pure gold for prizing! You can say stuff like, "I'm definitely the hottest husband you could get. No wonder you wanted to marry me so quick."
-I've had girls, after setting this up, introduce me to their friends as her "husband" before! She's like, "Oh yeah, that's my husband."
-Like I said earlier, I didn't even realize it until MW said something, but this is most likely how I get girls to cheat on their boyfriends. I've done it on all of them, except one. One girl, who ended up being a fuckbuddy, was actually married for real.

You don't even have to do the Husband/Wife dynamic. Like I said, your imagination is the limit and you can do whatever you feel most comfortable with. It's the one that I've used and know works though.

"Honeymoon time!" is the new "Adventure time!" don't ya know?

Lol at tell her parents all the nasty shit you did. Bahaha. That would be good for some nice push for sure 

@ Infiinity

That was awesome.  Completly forgot about the husband frame out of Tim's old stuff  Definitely going to try this out...

D'aww thanks.  Yeah, keep in mind that it's just how I run my own whorehouse. I did my best to explain the concept in a way that you can take it and apply it in your own way... Like my way of implementing it is really boyish... almost innocent. Like everything is just a joke. But I definitely encourage experimentation with it. Find your own little gimmicks that you like to spice it up with.

Holy balls!  A GIRL pulled this frame on ME last night!!  I walked up and talked to her friends.  She interrupted and asked me if she could play with my hair.  I looked her dead in the eyes and with a slight smirk on my face I said, "I'll let you play with my hair if you let me play with your boobs."  She went Shock!  Giggle!  Desire..  I don't remember exactly what she said next because I was so turned on by her becoming turned on, but the next thing I remember hearing from her pouty little mouth was "Marry me, its ok we're married."

I got her number but her friends dragged her away and I wasn't able to go with at the time. 

Threaten her with an annulment from the pope

OMG dude. Yeah! That's exactly the attitude you should go into it with...

"Lemme play with your hair..."

""I'll let you play with my hair if you let me play with your boobs."

That's the kind of challenging attitude you have to have to make her feel "chosen." Doing qualification is kindof the dumbed down version of that, even though qualification works just fine. The mistake that you made was not "closing the trap."

...To give you an example, if I were to just say to a girl, "Let's get married" ...Or in your case the girl actually says it. Without going through the whole fake ceremony (plus kissing her) to solidify it, it's not as effective. Keep in mind: it's an imaginary frame that implies a REAL connection. She would've been much less likely to run off with her friends if she was more invested in the "imaginary frame" and hence the real connection.

And like MW said, "You can always threaten an anullment." That's a great way to suck her back into the frame.

This should almost be a Sticky.

Good shit in here Infinity, appreciate it dude.

Sure thing Cochise... Definitely give it a whirl. Don't worry about doing it perfectly. It's all about having fun. Share your stories if you do.