Katalyst Text Message Thread (I Will Improve!)
Sigh ;(
If you know me personally, you know that my two greatest weaknesses in game for a long time have been vocal tonality/projection and TEXT GAME.
There's a huge disparity between my in-field game and text game. Huge difference. I can pull in the daytime, into the bathroom, all sorts of obnoxious stuff, but I've only been on one date this year, and to be fair not more than 5 in the past calendar year.
I've had a huge ego about it too as well, just kind of ignoring instead of manning up and dealing with my emotions and being persistent. My game and belief is infinitely better and I truly believe most of the time I have something great to offer, but from time to time I slip into chode mode over text. I still from time to time still get text anxiety. But I've pretty much gotten over it, because it is pathetic. Also I've stopped making my texting mechanical and politically correct, I just recently decided that I should just trust myself and be authentic and text how I'd talk to them in person.
One thing that really fucked up my learning process is that I was looking at text game as a short-term solution. I'd get advice from say Buddah, Manwhore or my buddy Haze, use the advice and kind of forget about it.
So I've relegated myself to posting convos up AFTER the fact. After it's clearly done. With some of these chicks it's not really done, but I'm posting convos from a couple of months ago.
Please feel free to provide some criticism.
So I'm keeping all my text convos in this thread.
I originally actually met this girl wayyy back in like December. From Australia, for some reason loved her, I really digged her for some reason, to this day don't know why. The convo is way longer than this and I used a myriad of jokes on her but for some reason when I switched over to iMessage on my phone it deleted our convo. I had been texting her all this witty shit.
Mar 23, 2013 9:51 PM Me: fuckin love me some Thai food
Mar 23, 2013 9:52 PM Me: Justin Timberlake should open a restaurant called "Suit and Thai"
Mar 23, 2013 9:53 PM Me: I'd go there. But I'd wear a hoodie ;)
Mar 26, 2013 4:59 PM Me: Do you know why you suck
So one night randomly in April I run into her. She's like o my god. She's showing me screenshots of our text convo on Instagram, talking about how she loved my voicemails. She was really excited to see me. We chilled out, ran some Alex game, and then some other random pickup faggot tried to fuck my shit up with her. She and her friend stormed off, I ran into another girl, and at the end of the night I realized she was there, and I was genuinelly in two heads, because I didn't know which girl to pull. I ended up not pulling either girl (not enough push at the end). Anyways before this girl left she grabbed my head and made out with me.
Apr 7, 2013 1:21 PM Her (sends pic of us from the previous night)
Apr 7, 2013 1:39 PM Me:God we're idiots ;)
Apr 7, 2013 2:03 PM Me:I know a way we can redeem ourselves
Apr 7, 2013 2:06 PM Me: Come with me to my roomie's performance with James Franco tonight...you can see my artsy side ;)
Apr 7, 2013 2:17 PM Her: Haha I mean that sounds super fun but I have work tomorrow and I didn't do ANYTHING I was supposed to have done by Monday so I have to do it today. Maybe another night?
Apr 7, 2013 2:24 PM Me: Next time tell your boss I said you could have the day off ;)
Apr 7, 2013 3:19 PM Her: Hahaha maybe
Apr 8, 2013 4:27 PM Me: "Oh its nice today - let me just take my pig for a walk" (send pic)
Apr 11, 2013 3:40 PM Me: What are you up to tonight?
I just didn't text her for a month. Maybe I called a couple of times. Idk.
May 9, 2013 1:29 PM Me: OMG please tell me you've seen the Charles Ramsay video
May 9, 2013 1:29 PM Her: Noooo link me haha
May 9, 2013 1:39 PM Me: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/05/07/video-hero-neighborcharles-ramsey-describes-saving-captive-women
May 9, 2013 1:46 PM Her: Hahaha yesss I've seen it!
May 9, 2013 1:48 PM Me: I fuckin cried.
May 9, 2013 1:48 PM Me: What's new with you
May 9, 2013 1:50 PM Her Just working way too much. Lost my passport - aka I have no form of Id so my life sucks haha you?
May 9, 2013 1:55 PM Me: Damn how the fuck do you have fun now?
May 9, 2013 1:56 PM Her: I wait 2-3 weeks. Haha
May 9, 2013 1:59 PM Me: Womp womp. Come out to my pearls and hang with me. I'll tell my friend you're 30 so they won't ID you ;)
May 9, 2013 2:01 PM Her: Hahahahahaha yuck I'd rather stay home than be thirty!
May 9, 2013 2:01 PM Her: Although maybe when I'm thirty I won't be losing my passport errywhere haha
May 9, 2013 2:07 PM Me: Fine. You can be 23. Anything beats watching reruns of the jersey shore
May 9, 2013 3:08 PM Her: Hahahah never seen it. What is my pearls?
May 9, 2013 3:11 PM Me: Pearls* is a bar in Hipsterville
May 9, 2013 3:27 PM Me: When are we hanging out gurl?
May 9, 2013 3:35 PM Her: Haha one of these days
May 10, 2013 12:04 AM Her: I was super busy at work. Maybe Saturday, but I really don't have an I'd haha that wasn't a lie
May 10, 2013 10:41 AM Me: No worries beb, tomorrow works. Lets meet up around 8.
May 11, 2013 8:32 PM Her: Hey sorry I'm actually sick as a dog perhaps
May 11, 2013 8:54 PM Her: Next week
May 11, 2013 11:40 PM Me: Cool. feel better ;)
May 15, 2013 4:00 PM Me: Hey how are you feeling punkin
May 15, 2013 4:03 PM Her: Like a wreck
May 15, 2013 4:13 PM Me: Awww do you want me to bring you some meds. I will take care of you
May 15, 2013 4:23 PM Her: Dude no
May 15, 2013 4:30 PM Me: Ali said I couldn't bring her medicine
May 15, 2013 4:30 PM Me: pffft...nigga please
May 16, 2013 2:49 PM Me: I'm sorry Ali - i suck at texting, i really hate it. i was trying to be cool and it just comes across weird
May 16, 2013 2:50 PM Me: Anyways when you're feeling better, we should hang out. I enjoy your company
Jun 18, 2013 5:36 PM Me: Yeezus is really fuckin good
Jun 19, 2013 2:12 AM Her: Amen
Jun 19, 2013 2:42 AM Me: DJ'd for the first time in 3 years tonight at this new bar in
Williamsburg. Killed it ;)
I should upload one text convo a night.
Jun 24, 2013 1:54 PM Me: Mondays give my brain the dumb.....
Jun 24, 2013 3:47 PM Her: Hahaha, I hear ya. :)
Jun 24, 2013 4:11 PM Me: I'll be at XXX Park around 6. Come join me ;)
Jun 26, 2013 8:18 AM Her: Hey, sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday! I forgot that I had a
work related event. How was the park? Yesterday was beautiful.
Jun 26, 2013 8:19 AM Me: It was cool until I got harassed by the pigeons and the heroin
junkies
Jun 26, 2013 9:50 AM Her: Lol. Those crazy pigeons. :)
Jul 2, 2013 9:40 AM Her: Hey sorry I didn't get your call the other day. I was upstate visiting
my parents. :) How are you?
Jul 2, 2013 10:29 AM Me: Just finished moving yesterday. My new hood is pretty dope ;)
Lack of persistence in this one. I'm just curious - was the invitation weak?
Backstory about this chick: I met her on the steps at the library and we talked for 2-3 minutes. She really liked me because I went BR on that ass. I forgot to text her so I called her and we had a rather charming convo, where I was highly unfiltered for 20 minutes. Maybe I gave her too much crack over the phone.
Tried to invite her out - that's the backdrop.
Damn though. Lack of persistence.
Well dude. I'm pretty much in the same boat with you. The chick who seems to be busier than Bill Gates... I've got/had almost the same exact situation. You're pretty much in a spot where you've done what you think you're supposed to and it's not getting anywhere so now it's make shit up time. I didn't get much useful info on this either.
The only critique I'd give you is that she's taking FOREVER to text you back and giving you the runaround and you're texting her back right away. A good text convo goes bam,bam, bam. Replies within 10 minutes. If you're not a priority to her, don't make her a priority to you.
Also take some time, slowwww down. You're asking her to meet up almost every other text. This was a great spot to build some rapport but you prematurely went for the meetup
May 9, 2013 1:48 PM Me: What's new with you
May 9, 2013 1:50 PM Her Just working way too much. Lost my passport - aka I have no form of Id so my life sucks haha you?
May 9, 2013 1:55 PM Me: Damn how the fuck do you have fun now?
May 9, 2013 1:56 PM Her: I wait 2-3 weeks. Haha
May 9, 2013 1:59 PM Me: Womp womp. Come out to my pearls and hang with me. I'll tell my friend you're 30 so they won't ID you ;)
At the end of the day texting is really just about getting these girls out. It's a means to an end and a shit ton of witty banter just means you're gonna end up with your dick in your hand, most likely. I liked how you pushed for the meetup a lot. This girl is obviously giving you the run around though. Some girls just aren't down to hang out. I usually hook them in with a picture or a snap chat (get this app if you don't have it)
Yo thanks guys for the feedback. With the girl you guys are referring to - yea I wanted it so bad. I also flubbed a bit.
I don't think the problem is asking for the meetup. I think the problem is how I'm crafting the meetup. I have value in these chicks eyes, for some reason I'm not conveying it right...
I should have fucked this girl. Met her at a top venue, was dressed ridiculously pimp, ran plenty of jealousy plotlines. Dragged her out the club, was a little indecisive with the pull. Got her into my car, drove 4 blocks from the club, and she start panicking. I should have been more gangster and just pulled her, but instead I drove her back to the club. Ughh. Wtf was I thinking??? Gave into her resistance.
Yeah try to make things as interesting as possible, kind of wondering if that's bad from a frame standpoint. I don't drink, didn't go to Gov. Ball
May 27, 2013 3:44 PM Me: Hey gawjus, just got back to my parents house in New Joisey
May 27, 2013 3:51 PM Her: Haha hey.......Katalyst right? Lol
May 27, 2013 3:59 PM Me: Yup ;)
May 27, 2013 4:01 PM Me: Ughh this texting stuff is so nerdy.
May 27, 2013 4:02 PM Her: Haha why?
May 27, 2013 4:02 PM Me: Lets hang out before you head back to H-Town. When are you free this week
May 27, 2013 4:04 PM Me: it's just weird for me I prefer talking
May 27, 2013 4:47 PM Her: I dunno if ill have time ill let ya know
May 28, 2013 7:50 PM Me: I swear every time I'm home it feels like a reenactment of Coming To America
May 28, 2013 8:01 PM Her: Hahaha why are you there?
May 28, 2013 8:03 PM Me: Came home for family BBQ yesterday. I tried my uncles homemade drink late last night
May 28, 2013 8:04 PM Me: Got too fucked up to drive back last night.
May 29, 2013 1:35 PM Me: Ah the joys of being a black man. No farmers tan for me ;)
May 29, 2013 1:52 PM Her: Lol fuck
May 29, 2013 1:58 PM Me: Hahaha
May 29, 2013 1:59 PM Me: hey punkin, what are you up to today
May 29, 2013 2:00 PM Her: Hey. I'm sick :( chillen, packing later. I need to pack
May 29, 2013 2:02 PM Me: awww feel better
May 31, 2013 5:01 PM Me:Ughhh I hate it when people sag their jeans so low that you can see their butt crack
Jun 7, 2013 6:11 PM Me: About to leave gov ball. Way too soaked. How was H-town.
Jun 7, 2013 6:12 PM Her: Katalyst?
Jun 7, 2013 6:15 PM Me: Yup
Jun 7, 2013 6:15 PM Her: Broke my phone! Hey. How was gov ball?
Jun 7, 2013 6:16 PM Her: Still in htown- rules
Jun 7, 2013 6:18 PM Me: Too indie for me. Sat and sun will be better. When you coming back to ny
Jun 7, 2013 10:12 PM Her: June 17
Jun 18, 2013 5:35 PM Me: Yeezus is really fuckin good
Jun 18, 2013 5:35 PM Her: Haha what is that people keep saying that word
Jun 18, 2013 5:36 PM Me: pfft it's Kanye's new album
Jun 18, 2013 5:36 PM Her: Ooooooo
Jun 18, 2013 5:37 PM Me: Lol damn do they even have the Internet in H-Town?
Jun 18, 2013 5:38 PM Her: Lol yea but I don't even know shit
Jun 18, 2013 5:42 PM Me: No worries you'll hopefully learn things rolling with me ;)
Jun 18, 2013 7:42 PM Her: Lmaoooo
Jun 19, 2013 11:53 AM Me: Last night I DJ'd for the first time in 3 years. Killed it punkin ;)
Jun 19, 2013 3:26 PM Her: Where?
Jun 19, 2013 3:27 PM Me: It was at xyz in Williamsburg
Jun 19, 2013 3:30 PM Her: Worrrrd
Jun 19, 2013 3:33 PM Me: Next time I spin you should come
Jun 19, 2013 3:33 PM Me: What are you up to tonight
Jun 19, 2013 3:35 PM Her: Yeah word that would be cool
Jun 19, 2013 3:35 PM Her: Idn what about you?
Jun 19, 2013 3:36 PM Me: I'm free after 7. Lets grab some ice cream and a beer
Jun 19, 2013 3:38 PM Her:Yeah maybe- I have to go shopping tonight after 6 to find a dress for this wedding I'm going to and idn how long it'll take but lemme know where you're at
Jun 19, 2013 3:42 PM Me: where you shopping for your dress - I might still be hanging around 14th street after I'm done
Jun 19, 2013 5:52 PM Her: In soho
Jun 19, 2013 6:52 PM Me: Just finished running my errand. Probably meet up with you in an hour.
Jun 19, 2013 6:53 PM Me: What subway stop are you near?
Jun 19, 2013 7:18 PM Her:I like have friends over and staying with me I dunno if I can meet up tonight I like made plans
Jun 19, 2013 8:06 PM Me: Damn girl. Looks like a nigga is a gonna have to drop some knowledge on ur ass before we be chillin and shit. Lest u wanna embarrass me or somethin.
Jun 20, 2013 1:24 AM Her: Lol yes. Nigga has to drop knowledge on my ass
Jun 21, 2013 5:15 PM Me: Ahh enjoying the freedom while I can ;)
Jun 21, 2013 5:15 PM Me: (sent her a pic of myself)
Jun 27, 2013 1:13 PM Me: Just started a new job, my co-workers are ridiculous
Jun 27, 2013 1:58 PM Her: What's the job?
Jun 27, 2013 1:59 PM Me: web developer
Jun 27, 2013 2:01 PM Me: some dorky dude was walking around with his kid earlier and my co-worker goes "You've actually had sex????"
Jul 10, 2013 12:13 AM Me: (sent her a stupid gif)
Jul 10, 2013 5:28 PM Her: You're so fuckin random
Jul 10, 2013 5:28 PM Her: Wtf yo
Jul 10, 2013 7:01 PM Me: My guess is that you're into boring ass dudes
Jul 10, 2013 7:01 PM Her: Nah dude
Jul 10, 2013 7:01 PM Her: Hell no
Jul 10, 2013 7:01 PM Her: What are you doing tonight?
Jul 10, 2013 7:02 PM Me: Got a soccer game till about 10
Jul 10, 2013 7:03 PM Her: Where?
Jul 10, 2013 7:03 PM Her: Are you on the nsl
Jul 10, 2013 7:04 PM Me: East river park. Nsl?
Jul 10, 2013 7:05 PM Her: National soccer league
Jul 10, 2013 7:07 PM Me: Lol nah I don't think that exists punkin ;)
Jul 11, 2013 4:33 PM Her: Lmaoooo I gave it a shot
Jul 11, 2013 4:34 PM Me: What are you up to tonight
Jul 11, 2013 4:36 PM Her: I dunno, I was gonna go up to Washington heights and chill with some friends ... If im up for that trek You?
Jul 11, 2013 4:37 PM Me: My gig got cancelled so I'm just gonna chill
Jul 11, 2013 4:37 PM Me: Lets grab a drink
Jul 11, 2013 5:51 PM Her: Yeah maybe... I'm with some friends that are clinginnnn
Jul 11, 2013 8:51 PM Me: ughh so young and indecisive
Jul 12, 2013 12:40 AM Her: I am going to Harlem doe
Jul 14, 2013 5:40 PM Me: What are you doing tonight
Jul 15, 2013 11:03 PM Me: (Sent her this pic msg -> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sdy71/
Jul 15, 2013 11:06 PM Her: Exactly
Jul 15, 2013 11:07 PM Me: Lol. What you been up to
Jul 15, 2013 11:41 PM Her: Chillen and stuff, you?
Jul 15, 2013 11:42 PM Me: Been working a lot, cracking jokes, all that good stuff
Jul 15, 2013 11:43 PM Me: just moved, my new neighborhood is fuckin crack
Jul 15, 2013 11:47 PM Her: You moved? Wtf
Jul 15, 2013 11:47 PM Her: Where?
Jul 15, 2013 11:47 PM Me: yup. XYZ
Jul 15, 2013 11:47 PM Me: Where do you live
Jul 15, 2013 11:51 PM Her: North of little Italy
Jul 15, 2013 11:51 PM Her: Nolita
Jul 15, 2013 11:53 PM Me: Cool. Lol I have a "NSL" game tomorrow but lets grab a drink and/or ice cream on Wednesday
Jul 15, 2013 11:53 PM Her: Okeyyyy cool
Jul 15, 2013 11:54 PM Her: Nsl!!!! Word! Good luck! What channel is it on, can I watch u
Jul 16, 2013 12:03 AM Me: I'm scared to tell you. I don't want to score a goal and have you scream "Touchdown!" instead of "Goallllllll"
Jul 16, 2013 12:06 AM Her: That would fucking happen
Jul 16, 2013 12:06 AM Her: Lmaooooo
Jul 17, 2013 3:20 PM Me: Lets meet up for a drink and ice cream around 8:30 punkin
Jul 17, 2013 3:43 PM Her: Ooooo I'm so sorry I might bail, let me text u in a bit
Jul 17, 2013 6:22 PM Me: I'm gone like the wind
I don't think I'm gonna text her again hence why I posted it up. Time to move on.
I will improve.
I promise.
Was the part were you should've fucked her before or after this text convo?
Before and after. Obviously mainly before but it's not really over with this one.
OK. I don't know if this will help you. But with my girl, I was doing the same thing you're doing. Pushing really hard for the meetup but the frame I was setting up was really weak.
She wasn't going to give me anything under that frame. and I needed to re-establish the right frame solidly before anything else could take place.
The frame is: SHE'S CHASING YOU. and everything you say should be A)Hinting at the frame B)pushing for the meetup. Here's how it went down for me:
http://manwhore.org/forum/content/update-girl-who-texts-wont-meet-feedba...
Hope that helps a bit.
katalyst you are a broken record. if you had follow love systems text game, YOU WOULD KNOW, you have establish a bad standard which is SHE IS USED TO REJECTING YOUR DAY 2S!!!
dude, in her mind, she knows how the conversation plays out, you text her something witty, she laughs, rinse repeat 2x and you ask her out to which she rejects. She knows you are her validation junkie, its like your fucking friend zone and she dangling the carrot in your face. when she has a bad day, she reads your fucking text.
To solve this problem, call that bitch out over text telling her to fuck off and you will delete her number and go out and get 100 numbers and practice this fucking text game with a guide step by step niggA!! :)
Oh look.. another one is getting sick of katalyst's broken record text game. Woot woot
;)
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katalyst you are a broken record. if you had follow love systems text game, YOU WOULD KNOW, you have establish a bad standard which is SHE IS USED TO REJECTING YOUR DAY 2S!!!dude, in her mind, she knows how the conversation plays out, you text her something witty, she laughs, rinse repeat 2x and you ask her out to which she rejects. She knows you are her validation junkie, its like your fucking friend zone and she dangling the carrot in your face. when she has a bad day, she reads your fucking text.
To solve this problem, call that bitch out over text telling her to fuck off and you will delete her number and go out and get 100 numbers and practice this fucking text game with a guide step by step niggA!! :)
Where does it feel friend zoney with you?
Yeah I should have been harsher and cut her off sooner. I'm not really used to getting Day 2s and fitting them into my schedule is already really hard so I should have pushed this to the hilt in terms of range of emotions. Validate her and strip her fuckin hard of it..
My question to you and SuperVillain is what would you have done differently overall.
My thinking is give value, give value, ask for the meetup. Really similar to game. Push away when I don't get compliance.
Or what I was thinking is just texting self-amusing witty shit obnoxiously with no input required, kind of like when I'm on in-field, just pretty much gaming myself and talking a whole bunch of shit.
I don't know, it's like I really don't have a gauge as to whether being persistent is hurting me or helping me. I really can't tell. My gut tells me this girl is just retarded.
Oh look.. another one is getting sick of katalyst's broken record text game. Woot woot;)
Damn homie, you don't believe I'm going to get better at this?
Even after going on epic 4 month dry spells and tearing it up right for a major breakthrough afterwards? Most people I know would have given up at that point.
Where's the patience with my process? Where's the belief that I can do this?
All good - I'm going to improve because I will never ever quit.
I actually agree with the above post. If a girl keeps refusing to meet up, call her out. What's the worst that will happen? She won't meet up with you? ...Oh wait. Lol
be like, "Listen, I knew you were younger but I didn't know you liked to play games..."
Or call the girl. Don't take this emotional shellacking from some random hoe
Tell her she's retarded. Tell her you think she might be kinda dumb. Tell her you don't think she measures up. You don't have to straight up tell her she's shit. Just give her little hints. Think about why you have a lot to offer her and she needs to earn it. Don't apologize and tell her how YOU dont measure up!
May 16, 2013 2:49 PM Me: I'm sorry Ali - i suck at texting, i really hate it. i was trying to be cool and it just comes across weird
May 16, 2013 2:50 PM Me: Anyways when you're feeling better, we should hang out. I enjoy your company
Dude. You put the text convo up asking for some help with it. You're prolly gonna have to catch a few turds.
Manwhore wrote:
Oh look.. another one is getting sick of katalyst's broken record text game. Woot woot;)
Damn homie, you don't believe I'm going to get better at this?
Even after going on epic 4 month dry spells and tearing it up right for a major breakthrough afterwards? Most people I know would have given up at that point.
Where's the patience with my process? Where's the belief that I can do this?
All good - I'm going to improve because I will never ever quit.
Nah dude - I got CRAZY belief in Katalyst - dude just works like a mother fucker.
Look kid - you might be dumb as fuck sometiems, but I'll NEVER knock the hustle.
I mean, look, Katalyst CHEWS the friggin GEL CAPSULE FISH OIL PILLS but you know what? The dude is getting better
Katalyst - I think you should buy me chipotle once a week and we sit down together and go through your phone and I will break this shit down for you. I'm obviously nothign close to manwhore, but I get this shit to the point where I could teach it to you, or at the very least, be a supplement to Manwhore. I'm only doin this cause we're good buddies and we:
ok i'm buying you Chipotle. Probably on Monday or something..
Fell off this but I have a couple of convos I have to upload.
Haven't been texting as much as I should. Even girls that I've had a connection with, I haven't been following up with. Time to implement a simple new rule, just push for the meetup 3 times a day or re-initiate convos with girls from the past. Just have to start making texting a habit. Gather a couple of reference experiences and get comfortable with texting. I still hate it and still feel some sort of emotional frustration with it.