How did you guys become hard closers?
Hey guys! New to the forum here, but been reading some stuff and gotta say it's good content. Hopefully i can contribute with something aswell.
I guess most of us havent always had succes with girls, and then became better after finding the community. But how did you guys go from decent to good?
Me personally i was an insecure little boy in high school and then i watched some rsd videos and went out to approach girls, with mixed results but at least my confidence got better. Now i am in college and i am a lot more grounded, solid social skills and know girls everywhere i go. Everytime i go out with friends they're like "damn you know everyone man". I would attribute this to my character and my habit of talking to anyone. I've become alot more touchy too since reading some article on this site, so i just touch girls (and even guys if theyre cool) alot naturally when i talk to them haha.
Now, the problem that i dont get laid as much as i would like to, and actually not that often at all. So ive realized that while i have good body language, charisma, tonality, humour, cockiness etc i often just lack the skill, or confidence of CLOSING and pull her. This is my biggest sticking point. It happens but not consistently. Most of the time i hook a girl, move her around, maybe makeout and then lose her somewhere in the club. I am in college so basicly everything is kind of "social circle game" and i dont wanna come across as too pushy.
So... my question would be how to become a hard closer in social circles?
Btw, i have started to tell all girls i talk to to add me on snapchat and i think its very useful to be honest. When she sees your snapchat or your my story it will remind her of how awesome you are even if you just talked for a little bit and then its easier to go from there. .
You attack it from a few different angles. First one might be technical "know how". Knowing how to verbally escalate the vibe with a chick, whether unconscious or conscious (e.g. you're either drunk at a party on a "good" night or you actually know how to chat a girl up), but also how to physically escalate the intimate vibe. You've got to have both.
Then another angle would be the mental game.. understanding women enough to know and appreciate their sexual side and to not fear communicating with a girl on that level. Women aren't fragile asexual dolls, and they're not whores either. They're simply sexual beings and you MUST see her as one with it. Then you realize you're not taking something from them by "asking" for sex, and you're not trading "goods" for it, you're giving her something amazing. Just as much as she's giving to you. And so you can now also comfortably challenge her, both sexually and mentally, qualify her and even sexually disqualify her in a teasing way. BUT also in so doing you realize you must pursue the ability to give a girl a good sensual, emotional and sexual experience. Because now you realize it's not just her responsibility to provide good sex it's yours as well. However you can't follow mainstream thinking on this sort of thing because they're complete pansies. Women's sexual biology does NOT follow beta chode society conditioning or Cosmopolitan magazine articles.
And then another angle would be "Presence", e.g. understanding yourself, and achieving a massive amount of control over your emotions, your phsyiology and your thoughts. So fear no longer holds you back. It either no longer shows up or you simply laugh it off and move through it. You rise to the occasion whether it's the initial approach, the first touch first kiss first pull, or you're pulling out your dick. Because you execute at your best, and your best means always taking the necessary next step.
And then there's logistics and lifestyle, which you mostly have down by the sheer fact you're in college. Which actually happens to be pussy's natural habitat so yeah if you're not getting laid, you suck. ;) :p
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Ok yeah thanks alot that makes sense. I really need to change my mentality and become more present. Ive been slacking a bit with the meditation
Man yeah true i suck haha. If i had closed all the girls ive hanged with this weekend i would have gotten laid every night. Fuuuck.
I got close to a girls ear on friday and told her i am just very horny within 1 minute of talking and she liked it because we just had that vibe going on. Need to get that vibe going on with more chicks ;)
Oh another question. I figure i should make it clear when i get a girls number that i wanna see her later in the night, and then hit her/them up again later. What do you guys usually text them then?
I just keep the vibe fun, I don't necessarily even really get sexual as my in-person vibe is very flirty and intimate and fun, I just work on logistics.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
I've written several lay reports over the years that include the last minute texts that resulted in going over to her place or having her come over.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
I just keep the vibe fun, I don't necessarily even really get sexual as my in-person vibe is very flirty and intimate and fun, I just work on logistics.
Hmm yeah i wasn't trying to make it sexual it just came naturally because the vibe was like that.
I will check out your field reports!
You attack it from a few different angles. First one might be technical "know how". Knowing how to verbally escalate the vibe with a chick, whether unconscious or conscious (e.g. you're either drunk at a party on a "good" night or you actually know how to chat a girl up), but also how to physically escalate the intimate vibe. You've got to have both.Then another angle would be the mental game.. understanding women enough to know and appreciate their sexual side and to not fear communicating with a girl on that level. Women aren't fragile asexual dolls, and they're not whores either. They're simply sexual beings and you MUST see her as one with it. Then you realize you're not taking something from them by "asking" for sex, and you're not trading "goods" for it, you're giving her something amazing. Just as much as she's giving to you. And so you can now also comfortably challenge her, both sexually and mentally, qualify her and even sexually disqualify her in a teasing way. BUT also in so doing you realize you must pursue the ability to give a girl a good sensual, emotional and sexual experience. Because now you realize it's not just her responsibility to provide good sex it's yours as well. However you can't follow mainstream thinking on this sort of thing because they're complete pansies. Women's sexual biology does NOT follow beta chode society conditioning or Cosmopolitan magazine articles.
And then another angle would be "Presence", e.g. understanding yourself, and achieving a massive amount of control over your emotions, your phsyiology and your thoughts. So fear no longer holds you back. It either no longer shows up or you simply laugh it off and move through it. You rise to the occasion whether it's the initial approach, the first touch first kiss first pull, or you're pulling out your dick. Because you execute at your best, and your best means always taking the necessary next step.
And then there's logistics and lifestyle, which you mostly have down by the sheer fact you're in college. Which actually happens to be pussy's natural habitat so yeah if you're not getting laid, you suck. ;) :p
Thats some good fuckin content right here!
Also read this Papaya:
http://manwhore.org/forum/content/manwhores-physical-escalation
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
I feel I'm overly sexual sometimes, or too forward. I'm gonna peel back on it and just chill/mellow my game out and let the time and vibe I got create the pull.
Otherwise, I just assume it's on and my attitude assumes it's on as well. Tends to work a lot of the time especially when you start to run your game and get in the zone. I also find when I start getting nervous/butterflies when I escalate, I want to keep going. I like the rush, it's nuts. That helps me close so much more often.
Before getting comfortable with it all, it would be pointless interactions that went no where and it was my fault because the girls were always tentative and into it. I just didn't escalate.
Yooo
i've been inactive for a while but i think i'm finally making big improvements after a long plateu this semester. I finally feel free to act like i want around girls. And yet i haven't been reading or watching any "game related stuff", but i've just been putting myself out there and talked to alot of girls. Of course i stil have alot to improve, but i feel like i'm only now opening my eyes to all possibilities. I've been blinded by my own insecurities for such a long time.
I used to go out and approach girls, and then not even try to close or get out of my own comfort zone, like WTF. But by putting myself out there and kept grinding i'm finally getting better results. If any beginner is reading this, i'm sure i would have improved alot quicker with manwhores coaching, but i haven't been able to afford it, but from what i've heard it includes alot of drills, and the point i want to make is, you don't get better by reading shit or watching videos, but by actually DOING shit.
The post in this thread from manwhore is sooo right too. I'm re reading that shit right now. I definitely lack in the technical "know how" aspect ;)