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short: Date from tinder, back to mine, she has some comments about how things are fast, leaves without sex, makes some passive aggressive comments in text after...
not sure how to handle

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Messaging was pretty good, across probably 4 days, most of it happening today.
I asked on Friday what she's up to for the weekend, she texted today she's to study tmr but today is a lazy day -> she had no chance 
 
Being injured I used my crutches to go to the meeting point, then we walked straight back to mine. Bit of rapport on the way, who works what, we come from very close regions, I tell here a bit about my travels etc. Damn, I got so sweaty climbing the stairs, I had to use a towel after we entered the apartment.
 
I got us some water, wine and a coconut. The latter was part of the date setup actually. Probably took too long time, especially that she told me over text that she can't stay long.
 
Some music, chilling on my bed. Like 10 minutes talk, I'm touching her hin and there, she has nice summer clothes on, I could see her thong through it. I grab her head in for a little kiss, it's slightly on her cheek as she turns her head, a bit of more chatting, and me touching her legs and we make out heavily. I close that door that she left open. Bit of chat, she tells me I'm a bad boy, I tell her smilingly that yeah I wouldn't be injured otherwise, would I. And thinking about the Frenchie from last week who was the reason of my relapse hehe. 
 
We talk about diet and I measure her waist playfully. She tells me she was even slimmer and I tell her to show me some images. She gets out and to bring her phone in, lets the door open. Also tells me she needs to go soon, some studying and cooking is on the plan for tmr. She has some really important exam in 2 weeks. 
 
Some nice pics, I swipe back to her bikini pic. Then put her lying on my bed, makeout. I feel her leg up a bit, nice hips as well. I feel up her tight boobs as well. She tells me I'm progressing fast, I joke it off as I was the slower with the crutches and I had to make HER walk slower. I also tell her she can go anytime. I roll her a bit on the bed, we're sideways. She's closer to the wall, and tells me I shouldn't put her to the wall or something. In my mind, wtf girl I didn't even pin you to the wall, I give her some room and devour her neck.
 
She tells me I somewhat used my injury to my advantage, I tell her a bit with a smirk on my face. My dick starts to activate himself, so I put her hand on him and tell her that she did it. She tells me it's me. Then not entirely sure how this talk went down but I tell her that she can be proud, and she says, you man are always man, aren't you. I say yes with a tonality and look that you can be glad we're men. 
 
Then somehow she tells me that she had originally planned to go on a date with another guy today, but he screwed up the date setup by being too horny. (she asked what he's planning-  and his answer was 'I'm a man'). 
So she came out with the smooth playa bonobo hehehe. Then tells me she would kinda be incongruent now after turning that guy down. I tell her I have no expectation of her, I don't care about rules or what not.
 
Also, that she's recently (3 months already) out of a long relationship (5 years I guess, she's 24). 
 
Things get hotter again, I'm about to set her boobies free then she tells me not to as they're silicon bras and hard to get back on. She also asks that I haven't seen those before. I played it off cool and it probably only occurred in my head, but it was enough for me to not rip those things off of her. Too bad. I bet she badly wanted them to be freed as well. She tells me something like I don't give up, do I. Oh boy, not a good sign. Like if it only mattered if I 'score' her. I tell her I enjoy this because I certainly do.
 
She's really cool chick btw, liked her confidence. How she talked about tinder and I made her show some convos or which guys she wanted to fuck. We talk about some funny profiles, she finds it weird how there's a need for managing the expectation via the bio. I tell her she doesn't need to worry, I'll call her tmr, I already know what she'll be cooking.
 
Not sure when, but as some point she told me that the door was open, I tell her it's disturbing only her and she's the more mobile so she should close it. After she closed it, I tell her I, of course, wouldn't have left it open, she tells me she knows, and she left it open on purpose. I smile, how she made a little extra break there, tell her she can leave anytime she wants. 
 
Also, at some point, she told me I could or could not keep her there without her consult. We also made jokes how she can tap before. Anyways, I tell her we can wrestle, I'm injured so I put her on the top. I feel up her nice ass below her skirt, we make out. Then she tells me it's time to go and gets up to get ready.
 
We vibe well I guess, I'll tell her to see me another time, she tells me how busy she's in the next 2 weeks. and we can do phone calls or what not. Some passionate kissing in the door, I tell her I don't have a problem with her not getting enough sleep. Oh gosh, that was so chasey in hindsight.
 
after the date, translated.
 
Me: Ups, the coconut is already gone.. (we left most of it on the table)
Her: How is that possible?  (wow emoji)
Me: I didn't have anyone bringing my attention away  (wink emoji) (probably not that bad, but in the context, I think it's definitely not helpful...)
Her: You would sure find someone for it (wink emoji)  - (I'm quite new to handle these you're the player type of comments... :)
Me: I see you left from the bevanda, so sweet
Me: or you just didn't like it, and didn't dare to tell me (wink emoji) - (I told her how much I love coconut water)
Her: It was good, I just didn't want to get tipsy
Her: and knowing you it's better that way (this is the part I think I should handle well)
Her: Sorry I was running 6km-s (not sure if after the date or not, maybe she's referring to walking - no clue)
Her: I'm KO
Me: what? I'm talking about the coconut water, I don't think you left any wine (wink emoji) 
 
I guess she's already sleeping now, not sure why I answer this last one... 
Anyways, I think I just need to handle correctly that comment of hers. That doesn't look nice at all. 
 
 
So what is going on? Did I just let myself be misled by her comments and pussied out? I know I didn't prize myself correctly (looking forward to learning that for sure), and it turned somehow into this chasing her vibe I wasn't in that mindset for sure but writing this down I guess that's what's in her mind. I was looking back an older FR of mine, it reminded me how I wasn't leading her emotionally.  Seems like there's also more comfort needed with her implying I'm aggro?  How to go from here?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Bruh, girls don't like dem

Bruh, girls don't like dem kind o' crips

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Haha, yeah, but, I was sexy

Haha, yeah, but, I was sexy af. She was looking at my sticks from the very start.

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Haha, yeah, but, I was sexy

geeze, how did I post this 3x, anyways seen, no answer so far. 

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Meh I think it was not enough

Meh I think it was not enough comfort built. She wants you to lie that you don’t only want sex, not feel like a slut etc etc etc. Basically show her that she’s not just a piece of meat to you and you like her company etc etc etc. You went too straight to the point imo. 

You needed to sit there are be more affectionate/understanding and less about trying to get laid. Sounds so gay I know. Like escalation is fine, but you have to kind of show her in her mind that you can be “made” into a BF after sex. Not that you HAVE to be her bf, but that you CAN BE. This will make put her at ease. It’s like you’re 60% Alpha, 40 percent provider male. You want her to subconsciously think that after sex you’ll be 60 provider/40 alpha. This is showing “normal emotional wiring” in mystery method terms aka having empathy etc. 

A VERY fine nuance I’ve learned is that when a girl is responding to purely alpha male behavior, it’s when she’s in estrous. Here you can be very raw and direct and not give a fuck at all, and some girls are just very suceptible to this kind of behavior all the time. The vast majority however only are very receptive to it during estrous. Their usual standards for a nice, normal and “tamer” guy go out the window and their pussy is mostly in control here. This girl obviously is not dominated by her pussy to the extent that she’ll fuck a random guy in crutches who is too aggressive. Not that there’s anything wrong with you, but it’s HER who has a problem with the scenario.

And sad to say, but crutches are a turn off, you didn’t have enough game to go all the way while having them. No biggie. She woulda still fucked you, you just were too aggressive for HER.

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Also... You still have a shot

Also...

You still have a shot but you have to be careful. 

I personally would start giving her the minimum maintenance contact just. Like talk to her as least as possible. You’re busy also. 

Talk to more girls and hit this one up again in a few weeks to chill. I don’t see anything good coming of talking to her for 2 weeks while she’s “busy”. Fuck that. 

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Cheers mate, ironically, she

Cheers mate,

ironically, she was the first chick I met in a while I could imagine some sort of relationship with

Ya, I guess Peterson talked about a study how women prefer different jawlines (basically how alpha) in different parts of their cycles. So they rate their attractiveness differently.

I really think this mini congruence thing with the other guy plays a bit in the equation as well, but yeah the opportunity was there and I didn't seize it. 

Like watching her tinder was good in terms of off-pressure but didn't accomplish much in terms of comfort building like just chatting could've. And I knew she didn't plan to stay long... 

I don't see any reason for waiting for texting, but yeah might not push for a meetup in the next 2 weeks. 

I was thinking of, maybe just the second line

Me: you totally misjudged me there btw, drunken girls are a turn-off for me

Me: sport is a plus, and at least you don't stuff yourself with pasta after like my aunty ;)

 

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I say you lay off it for a

I say you lay off it for a day or two man 

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Lol I was out the door all I

Lol I was out the door all I read was the part about your crutches. So she knew beforehand you were on crutches, or at least injured? 

Yeah you really had no connection with this girl at all. Lol. It's great to use your physical seduction skills, and it sounds like you actually did a pretty bang up job, but sometimes just because it's right there doesn't mean you should go for it. I know I'm at least partially at fault for this, but for fuck sake it's hard enough to teach you guys physical seduction without throwing another monkey in the mix. That being said.. it's always my MO to engage a girl physically in another context, and gauge her response. Kinda like.. a preview. Shows you a lot about a woman. I've been out with very dominant women, feisty as fuck, it's literally a battle for control, but her seduction consists of the softest of touches. 

Also.. why you asking her about what other guys on Tinder she wants to fuck? :\ Wtf? Did you want to hit them up too or something? :\ That does Not. Fucking. Make. Sense

Why are your conversational skills so meager? That my fault? I'm reviewing your training up to this point. :\

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Ahh. This totally makes sense

Ahh. This totally makes sense now. ;) 

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Thanks. She knew it, I told

Thanks. She knew it, I told her to look for the guy on crutches lol. 

Yeah, that tinder shit made no sense, I thought it shows how judgment-free I am and maybe I learn something, how she is tindering or what not. But think like this could be a rather post-sex activity if at all....

Sadly, I didn't really feel less connection compared to other girls from her side. We vibed well, had topics or similar things to share, a quite good eye contact, she returned my kiss enthusiastically. Besides her comments, which were seemingly more important than the significance I gave to them. 

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Yeah but think about

Yeah but think about almost all of the girls recently you've been "connecting" with. A bit of a language barrier, yes? 

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Yeah, definitely had some

Yeah, definitely had some girls this year where lang. was a barrier, even used Google translate successfully with a cute lil virgin lol. 

But she's from the same region as I am like we almost went to the same high school. So even slang etc. should be in our favor...

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Right. And it's not. Because

Right. And it's not. Because you're talking about who she wants to fuck on Tinder. :\ 

Look.. Rule of Thumb when you're fucked up and needing some female attention. Be like this guy:


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It might be a dumb question

It might be a dumb question but what was the main issue with the Tinder thing? It was actually not which guys she wanted to fuck but to meet. 

I think it's mainly that it broke our intimacy, and reinforced her idea about me being a fuckboy. Where there was a need for more comfort and connection. 

Also, it might bleed insecurity, like why the heck would I care about other guys. 

I seriously thought it was good to show I'm not judgmental. I also told her I have no expectations or pressure on her. 

Would it have made sense in situations where the girl is afraid of being judged? Or after sex just to make myself less of a BF type?

Ahh maybe there's just still too much RSD shit in me and I think about this in a fucked up way.

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Yep. Total Rsd shit bonobo

Yep. Total Rsd shit

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Ahh maybe there's just still too much RSD shit in me and I think about this in a fucked up way.

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bonobo wrote:It might be a

bonobo wrote:
It might be a dumb question but what was the main issue with the Tinder thing? It was actually not which guys she wanted to fuck but to meet. 

I think it's mainly that it broke our intimacy, and reinforced her idea about me being a fuckboy. Where there was a need for more comfort and connection. 

Also, it might bleed insecurity, like why the heck would I care about other guys. 

I seriously thought it was good to show I'm not judgmental. I also told her I have no expectations or pressure on her. 

Would it have made sense in situations where the girl is afraid of being judged? Or after sex just to make myself less of a BF type?

Ahh maybe there's just still too much RSD shit in me and I think about this in a fucked up way.

Thats RSD to a T, bro. I actually did something really similar during training. Girl comes over from tinder to smash, tests me by telling me about the guys she’s recently hooked up with (fairly graphically I might add) I try to be all RSD and unreactive. Needless to say I did NOT close, lol.

There is absolutely times to be unreactive, but there is times you need to lay down the law when she is clearly trying to misbehave. Her showing you pics of other guys who wants to fuck off tinder, or IS fucking, is absolutely her treating you like a little bitch. It may seem harmless, but it isn’t. It’s very much damaging your standing. 

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RSD lol. What exactly is RSD

RSD lol. 

What exactly is RSD trying to make us into? With all this propaganda and brainwashing to not stand up for yourself or be any kind of man at all lol. Guess you gotta break down the clients to get them to the end of the sales funnel.

Be “unreactive”. Smh. Years ago I bought into that hook, line and sinker and hated myself for how it made me act. Every instinct and bone in my body telling me “this is wrong, this behavior from her is total bullshit don’t go for it” and yet...I tried to be all “cool” because I thought “rsd is the world leader in Game, they know better than me, let me just do this”. Wasted years off my life. 

Tyler should be burned alive. 

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yeah, thanks for sharing that

yeah, thanks for sharing that slick. 

Actually, I made her show me her tinder lol :(

But most likely would've fucked up if she was testing me like your girl was as well...

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Stop looking at stuff like

Stop looking at stuff like shit tests. More RSD garbage.

Theres only compliance, non-compliance and what you’re willing to tolerate. When they don’t comply your only focus should be on handling the objection and getting back on track.  Thinking about shit tests is a distraction. At any given time she’s complying, not complying or she’s deliberately acting up and should be called out or walked out on. 

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Ha! I don't watch anymore RSD

Ha! I don't watch anymore RSD since being on this forum. 

Imo testing is real tho, it's just not helpful to overthink it or think about it in a twisted way. Women always want you to show your best side, to step up.

Btw she answered to my message above:

Her: Well, I can't really say anything to this now

Not that positive, but I can work my way from there, like 

Me: just wanted to clear things up. that's it

then change the topic.

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Just some update: Her: Thanks

Just some update:

Her: Thanks tho, for writing, I didn't expect any explanation

Her: Happened, what happened

Her: To be honest, I started dating a guy yesterday and I like him in every aspect and I promised him I give him a chance 

Her: I think it's  correct if I share this with you

"I promised him I give him a chance" sounds promising haha

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You don’t realize this but ur

You don’t realize this but ur shaping ur interactions to look like what you think RSD said they should look like. 

Youre making her give you shit and put up obstacles because that’s what you think it’s going to be. You’re making this hard.

I would reply with the following: 

You: “Better off you tell me ahead of time. I don’t like how you constantly bring up other men in front of me like I’m a fucking bitch anyway. If you think I’m a bitch I suggest you don’t even reply to this message and have yourself a good day”

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Infinite wrote: I would

Infinite wrote:

I would reply with the following: 

You: “Better off you tell me ahead of time. I don’t like how you constantly bring up other men in front of me like I’m a fucking bitch anyway. If you think I’m a bitch I suggest you don’t even reply to this message and have yourself a good day”

uhh this sounds pretty gay imo and is a massive escalation and overreaction to what she's said  

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She’s a fucking bitch.

She’s a fucking bitch. I originally suggested he stop talking to her so much for a while. 

In all fairness, he let her get away with that bullshit from the jump. At this point she thinks he’s a fucking fag. He either gets his respect back or she’s gonna play with him some more.

Not a big loss anyway, she sounds like a cunt.

Learn some self respect.

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Infinite wrote: You don’t

Infinite wrote:
You don’t realize this but ur shaping ur interactions to look like what you think RSD said they should look like. 

Youre making her give you shit and put up obstacles because that’s what you think it’s going to be. You’re making this hard.

I would reply with the following: 

You: “Better off you tell me ahead of time. I don’t like how you constantly bring up other men in front of me like I’m a fucking bitch anyway. If you think I’m a bitch I suggest you don’t even reply to this message and have yourself a good day”

jesus bro

There is a common middle ground of not being overly RSD and being a complete psycho. There are a lot less “I hate women” way of responding.

By saying twice in the same post that you’re not a bitch, it’s basically communicating that you are in fact insecure about being one. If you just take a less intense but stern way of communicating this, she can certainly get the idea that it was not ok and to check herself next time  

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SuperB, didn't you have a

SuperB, didn't you have a chick telling you she's getting married or something in the text convo thread?

That's what MW suggested there: "Yeah right you lyin. You're just afraid. You didn't want your pussy's epitaph to have to say "she wasn't ready" "

I think it's funny I suppose it's not the best answer for this chick tho lol

 

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I banged that chick. But she

I banged that chick. But she was a different matter. She didn’t require such a heavy call out or even that “you Lyin” shit. Idk if it woulda worked because she’s a retard with aspergers.

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Ok why are you banging a

Ok why are you banging a retard with aspergers?

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I banged that chick. But she was a different matter. She didn’t require such a heavy call out or even that “you Lyin” shit. Idk if it woulda worked because she’s a retard with aspergers.

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It’s a joke dude lol. I’m

It’s a joke dude lol. I’m just saying she’s socially inept As far as her HORRIBLE (disordered) personality goes, her drama addiction and her below average intelligence. She’s not actually aspergers lmfaooooo. Its the girl who keeps breaking up and going back with the fake “fiance”. im no longer banging her. She’s back with him. It’s gross. 

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Or you mean she decided to

Or you mean she decided to stop banging you and so you've got to come up with all sorts of bullshit to say about her to make yourself feel better? 

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But actually yes at this

But actually yes at this point because of all the bullshit Bonobo would have to do some heavy emotional shit to get this back on track. Lol. She sorta does think you're a bitch.  

That's honestly not a bad text from Superb. Could probably be done smoother maybe, definitely less pitiable, but the raw factor is certainly on point. I have said fucked up things to girls, plenty of times. When they fucked up they know it. She's certainly dissed him over and over again in subtle ways and he's just sat there and taken it with a big shit-eating grin on his face so yeah I wouldn't say it's an issue of her not deserving it or something. But I'm not babysitting this convo 

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Nah, she didn’t stop. I

Nah, she didn’t stop. I stopped. I even have proof about ME stopping and proof of her shitty ass personality/low intelligence. I mainly didn’t wanna keep banging her because she’s the type to get caught cheating on purpose or to bring it up to him during a fight. He’s an emotional wreck who misbehaves with certain elements of ballistics. Not worth it.

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Alright, fuck it. Lol. I mean

Alright, fuck it. Lol. I mean assuming everything you've said about this girl is true she really is a wreck. Latina? Mixed? 

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Yeah she’s puerto Rican and

Yeah she’s puerto Rican and Nicaraguan. Solid 7.5 and like 4’10”. Petite. I’m currently about to get scooped up by this married woman who’s works at my old gym. Banged her once. About to bang her again. I’m trying to figure out how to get her hot friend who also works at the gym involved in the fun. I made a thread about it like 2 days ago. I think this is way cooler than talking about that crazy train wreck lol

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Yeah I wrote you a response

Yeah I wrote you a response but saw your asshole posts and deleted it haha

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What asshole posts? I thought

What asshole posts? I thought I was being good now