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So I just got back from a day 2 where I got her back to my placd but wasn't able to seal the deal.

I meet this chick at a bar for drinks we are vibing pretty well and I get into a couple conviction drills between some just getting to know you questions.

I can tell this girl loves me and is asking all kinds of relationship type questions. what's your religion, how often you go out, shit tests me by saying I must have gotten every girl in the clubs number. Silly me answering these fucking questions and though I love the conviction drills maybe it was not so wise to get into it here. Too personal for a girl who is looking for that. Should kept it light hearted and sexual.

After an hour of this kinda stuff I pull her back my place saying let's go to another bar then walking to my place and saying she need to see the view.

At my place we start making out and I work my escelation game. Trying to build tention, minimal making out. Lots of massaging her thighs and teasing her before pulling back on kisses. Eventually laid her down and put my knee in between her legs and grinding against her pussy.

Still wouldn't even take off her jacket. I'm getting tired of this bitch waisting my time so do a freeze out I can tell she started to feel a little bad but still won't come over to me.

I'm getting tired and got work early in the morning so I get up on her make out an whip out my dick but she pushes me off and says she wants go back to her car. Ok hard no I get up and walk her to her car.

On the way to her car I've completely let go and am finally acting in my own intent no filter and am grabbing her pulling her in rubbing my dick on her and she asks my I am doing all that I say cause she is fucking sexy.

The more and more I touch her now and tell her that it's her fault for turning me on and that I just can't keep my hands off her she is getting more and more tuned on.

Eventually we get back to her car and I see her off.

This girl liked me too much, she was dripping lines about taking me place and doing relationship type shit and I played into that frame til the end where it was too late. I needed to let the sexual beast out earlier and more often. She should have known early on that I'm the guy who is gonna fuck her and appreciate her hot body.

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Yeah man the more you talk,

Yeah man the more you talk, the more you can fuck it up sometimes. 

You need to learn how to control the frame by controlling your state. By state I mean feelings.

If you talk a to girl, she feels what you feel. So if you’re feeling sexual, yet talk to her normally, she will find herself attracted to you because you’re just in a sexual state. If you say normal shit and are loose and carefree, then you can pretty much just set the tone of the interaction as sexual and not relationship. 

Here are are some keys:

1. Eye contact. Pretend you are fucking her the whole time as you speak to her. Hold that state inside of you and be kind of loose like you’re in bed letting go of yourself.

2. Lead the conversation. Make the topics simple, light hearted and make your eyes sparkle and your smile shine bright as you speak. Don’t be serious but don’t be a clown.

3. Physically touch as soon as possible. Hold her hands while talking to her and then let them go. Hold her by her waist. Take her hand and lead her. Do these things with authority and dont them not as tactics but as ways of expressing your masculinity in the presence of her femininity.

4. Be outcome detached the entire time. Act as if you can take it or leave it, yet you still like her. 

5. You should be making her want to kiss you the whole time. This happens by transmitting that sexual state I’m talking about. You gotta feel it and you gotta kind of look in her eyes and cover your own lips with the energy. Just look at her eyes while being totally mindful of your lips as you speak. They will become very magnetic to her. Once she looks at them, close in and just brush your lips against hers and say something in a low voice.  Don’t even kiss her yet. Back off and keep talking but think of her pussy getting wet. Feel it in your mind. Feel it in your hand. Totally abandon yourself to your imagination. Let the feelings you get bleed freely into your sub communications. She will follow suit. Practice this as much as you can. This is how you get girls to not resist. Desperation is not allowed. Only desire. Intense desire. A man who has such intense desire that’s showing, but is controlling it (just barely though) drives women up the wall. You showing your sexuality but not letting it cross over into desperation has the interesting effect of making your sexual state stronger and stronger and stronger. Let the energy out but not through anxiety or by trying to claw at her desperately. No. You let your body and voice and eyes express it. 

ALSO: VERY important. Assume you’re gonna fuck her from step 0. So what if dont. Just assume you will. 

Im not a master at any of this mind you, but I’m getting very good and it’s a totally different paradigm. Combined with what Manwhore teaches you, you will be one of the best on here. 

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Also I almost forgot man,

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Also I almost forgot man,

Also I almost forgot man, when girls ask you serious relationship style questions, you have to 

let it be known that you’re a “lover” and not a provider. The fact she even asked you this to begin with tells me you started the date as a “provider” so really what you gotta do is have that vibe I talk about in my first reply to you FROM THE START. It gives you an air of “danger” that the boyfriend types don’t give off.

Failing that, if she starts with the relationship style questions, answer them with a smile and and projecting funny feelings at her while getting closer to her. Look her in the eye and smirk. Totally dismiss her frame and act as if you’re the lover NOT the provider. That means don’t be serious.

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Superb you're not on this

Superb you're not on this guy's level. You're throwing him kindergarten shit 

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Thanks for posting man,

Thanks for posting man, couple thoughts that stuck out to me: 

-I had a string of pulls where i could not close, all of which were related to the same lack of dominance each time. From what you posted it kind of seems like you are still in the mindset of “things cant get physical or i cant be dominant until i have her back home”. That is something that i am still working on myself, but its key that you break that. You wont come off as congruent and you could come off as sleazy 

-That last part about you just going and whipping it out... it seems like how you described it you used that as a last ditch effort or a kick save when you knew things were not going well and actually the vibe started cooling. I dont have nearly enough of a sample size to say this confidently one way or another, but i dont think trying it in that context is going to lend you much results. It shoudnt come from a shameful place of “well, Ive tried everything else, i hope this might work”... it should be a cresehendo when you hear trumpets sounding in the background when it goes down 

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He should have been sexual

He should have been sexual and more physical from the start. You wouldn’t agree that mistakes are often made at the “kindergarten” level? 

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Superb you're right in that

Superb you're right in that we should be doing those things you listed. Eye contact , escelation assume the lay. The basics. But I feel what was going on here was a little deeper then that.

I thought I had this one in the bag to be honest and was surprised when at the end I couldn't get past her lmr. Ive done a lot less in terms of escelation and frame and leading and still have closed most girls.

It was like she had sex blocked out in her mind and that she was not going to let herself go there. It wasn't until I completely let go and started to act in my own intent that she started to get turned on to the point where sex might happen. But even then she wasn't acting with her intent. She still had the social conditioning filter of can't have sex on the first date.

Problem was I didn't pick up on this til it was too late.

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Well, you have two more dates

Well, you have two more dates to decide if you want to keep her around. 

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Its your escalation here man.

Its your escalation here man. I feel like you’re doing somethig scripted here as it worked for you in the past before i.e. kiss, then tits, then back to kissing then grind then back to kissing.

You’re not getting bottlenecked at the kiss are you? I’ve had girls kiss my cock before I kissed their lips.

It starts in the beginning, not when you get her home. Slick nailed it with this. Its all a part of the pie. Each slice is identical to the other and has the same necessary ingredients, there are just multiple pieces to it that you have to chow down on. 

Also the dick move was fucking funny lmao! But no buueno. “Well that didn’t work, might as well shove it in her face” LOL

You didn’t fuck her on the first date no problem. If at firsr you don’t succeed try try again

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^ That's it. Lazy physical

^ That's it.

Lazy physical escalation. Lazy lazy lazy. Always your problem. Read thru your phys esc training. You sound like an rsd punk. Also yes you've got to keep her from solidifying this relationship nonsense in her head. You assumed it was on and got lazy again. Sounds like she complimented you and you just started basking in your own glow and got distracted monkey.

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Manwhore wrote:^ That's

Manwhore wrote:
^ That's it.

Lazy physical escalation. Lazy lazy lazy. Always your problem. Read thru your phys esc training. You sound like an rsd punk. Also yes you've got to keep her from solidifying this relationship nonsense in her head. You assumed it was on and got lazy again. Sounds like she complimented you and you just started basking in your own glow and got distracted monkey.

Yup like I said honestly was shocked I didn't close n got that lmr. I just that it was a done deal. Slipped up here. But lesson learned.

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Funny enough Aequitas had the

Funny enough Aequitas had the same issue this week. Tell'em, homey 

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Manwhore wrote:Funny enough

Manwhore wrote:
Funny enough Aequitas had the same issue this week. Tell'em, homey 

Yep. Echoing Slick n Jihad mangs it's your escalation here. 

Unless I'm missing something, sounds like you didn't escalate much until the end. You shouldn't be barely escalating on a girl when you've pulled her lol. Where's the touch/physical escalation throughout leading up to the pull? Yin n yang? Two forms of escalation on this girl? Of course all of this enveloped in a playful fun assuming vibe that has a nice mix of push/pull verbals to round it out. How you begin this dictates how it ends. Be ruthless in your escalation, but mindful of where she's at the whole time. [ What you didn't do when you just took your dick out ] You cannot expect a girl to surrender to you when you haven't handled things properly earlier on. Give her a fucking experience she won't forget dude, you have the tools. Essentially, because the physical escalation was not on point, she never got on your track and thus the logical mind kicked in. 

Whipping it out has its place, but like ppl said -- it was a last ditch lazy effort. I don't think it came from the right place. It should be prized escalation / high value escalation, this is clearly not that. 

My physical escalation has been no bueno as of late so I'm writing this out just as much for myself. 

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How do you offset that

How do you offset that relationship frame? 

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So, it really depends where


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I can tell this girl loves me and is asking all kinds of relationship type questions. what's your religion, how often you go out, shit tests me by saying I must have gotten every girl in the clubs number. Silly me answering these fucking questions and though I love the conviction drills maybe it was not so wise to get into it here. Too personal for a girl who is looking for that. Should kept it light hearted and sexual.

Oh FUCK. That's what you meant by saying she ran game on me. Why the FUCK did I not connect the dots there -- and there are way more insidious versions that this comes up in that I'm thinking of now. No fucking shit you were on my ass. But you don't answer these questions seriously aka use deliberate illogicality. 

So in OP's case, the vibe would be very cheeky, almost arrogant with a smirk. I'd probably just start fucking with her with some of these like telling her I believe in Scientology and how Tom Cruise and I got high as fuck at the club while baptizing chicks with Scientology holy water (read: Dom Perignon) lol. You can be low key too - that is so over the top lol, but the point is that you're deliberately illogical. 

Must have gotten every girl's number in the club
Response: Not to mention their SSN. You'd think ppl would hold that a little closer to their chest lol. This is how identity fraud occurs haha

Anyway -- blah blah blah blah. 

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Me at the club the other

Me at the club the other day

G: Are you muslim?

M: Ya i support the ku klux klan

G: What

M: What

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Me at the club the other

Me at the club the other day

G: Are you muslim?

M: Ya i support the ku klux klan

G: What

M: What

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^ lulz Relationship Status:

^ lulz

Relationship Status: DENIED 

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Embarrassing them publicly

Embarrassing them publicly works too. :D 

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